My thoughts on how Cotto can use the tools at his disposal to beat Mayweather

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  1. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    Mayweather won't come close to using as much movement, but his footwork is still awesome. Cotto has to move with Mayweather, creating angles whilst moving forward, getting himself in to positions to throw not only his best punches (left hook, body and head) but shots that Mayweather maybe won't expect, his improved right hand.

    Cotto used his right hand great against Margarito, he not only used it as a power/point scoring punch, but he used it to set up his left hook and combinations. Got Margarito's attention with it (didn't even have to land it), then got the following shots in...an example of the phase work Cotto needs to employ IMO.

    Cotto definitely has to be aggressive, I think he can have a little success on the backfoot, because like you said, Cotto is actually a good counter puncher. He will not win this bout on the back foot though.

    Something I love seeing boxers do is step in to the opposite stance whilst throwing a punch. You rarely ever see it, and the last time I saw it was Pirog against Jacobs (and in the amateurs a couple of weeks back). IF Cotto can do this whilst throwing his right hand, he can put himself in a good position to get his punches off. It also stops him from falling in to a pattern of the same shots that Mayweather will eat up. The important word in this paragraph though, is IF.
     
  2. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Good post; that last point is something that impressed me greatly when I went to MSG to see it live. Walked Margarito into hard shots and fluidly switched stances while moving.
     
  3. RobertV77

    RobertV77 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cotto is going to beaten into a bloody pulp. Walking a one eyed, semi retired, b level zombie like Margarito into shots is not any indication he will do the same with Mayweather.
     
  4. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd still put my money on Ortiz being quicker in terms of offensive footwork. I don't think he can fight as well as Cotto can going backwards, or side to side. The Yuri Foreman fight suprised me. Cotto matched him step for step, and Foreman has/had terrific footwork.

    I don't see Cotto having the intelligence, the range or the weight to force Mayweather onto the ropes. I think if Floyd's back touches the ropes then he wants it there, and he's walking Cotto into something. (That said, I expect Floyd to fight a forward moving, offensive fight) DLH backed Mayweather into the ropes by using his long sharp jab and following up with his physical size. Hatton got him there in spells my mauling him and Ortiz bull rushed and used his weight. (He paid a price for that) As far as I can tell, Cotto can't realistically get away with any of the above. If he wants Mayweather against the ropes, he may well need to back towards them himself, clinch and hope to spin Floyd around.

    Did you mean the photo that was on here? You cant see it any more but I got a good look earlier and on the episode.

    It's just for comedic effect. Cotto fights taller now, that's one of the things Manny Steward sorted out. The accurate part was the wide body shots, I'd still like Cotto to tuck his elbows in and throw sharper. He tends to wing them a bit in my eyes. If Cotto fights crouched, he'll get stopped.
     
  5. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    lol
     
  6. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Care to expand?
     
  7. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    The thought of Cotto(e) bossing Floyd around in the clinches is hard to imagine. Floyd is a veteran in the trenches and has outdone masters at it like Mosley and Hatton. Cotto(e) just learned how to do it in his last daycare session.

    Cotto(e) lives up to that Latin machismo too manly to clinch stereotype.
     
  8. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yep, agree. I'm intrested to see who manouvers the leverage in the clinch.

    If you were Cotto, how would you get Mayweather against the ropes? (If you planned too atall.)
     
  9. Str8ryte

    Str8ryte Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ROC Active Member Full Member

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    No way is Floyd Manny,IMO. Manny comes at you from all angles,throws alot of punches, is offensive and can punch harder than Floyd. Floyd is fast but rarely displays an offensive strategy. He makes fighters come to him. Cotto doesn't have to be as fast to make good on his opportunities, whenever he gets in close make the most of it by hitting him anywhere above the belt,shoulders,arms,sides etc.. I don't see Floyd hurting Cotto anytime in the fight!
     
  11. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Oscar didn't even know what caused him to stop jabbing. This why he lost the way he did
     
  12. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oscar knew damn well. Mayweather adjusted and timed the right hand over the jab. Oscar who's never been great at making adjustments really had no answer. In his book he says I tore my rotator cuff, and in the end I had to resort to deliberatley leaving my head out there, hoping he'd break his hand on it.

    :patsch
     
  13. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol::rofl
     
  14. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Jose Luis Castillo style. Shoulder feints to maneuver Floyd onto the ropes. Use the jab too. Both Jose and Oscar were able to back Floyd up with the jab, especially when they did the basic double jab combo. Jose did a brilliant job and landed punches on Floyd that he isn't even vulnerable to, punches we don't see work on him often such as the left hook.
     
  15. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I'm really surprised you guys don't think Floyd will give up the center. He found himself against the ropes against De La Hoya, Hatton, Ortiz, and even Marquez when he tried to press. Of course he tries to set traps, but often times it looks like he doesn't know where else to go if not backwards when rushed. Fighting on the inside permanently would be detrimental for Miguel IMO as I've said before, and Floyd is expected to eventually become the aggressor, but I think Cotto will end up on the attack trying to smother his right hand and find Mayweather backed up in corners early.

    Also, DLH did at times look like he was trying to catch Floyd's punches on his forehead by bending his knees; it was pretty effective at times.

    In terms of the photo, I was talking about this:

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    It's not much, but Pedro was encouraging him as he advanced from this low an angle. He doesn't look hunched, but he is crouched. It's just a glimpse but I was wondering what you thought of this offensive posture when very close to Floyd.