My thoughts on how Cotto can use the tools at his disposal to beat Mayweather

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  1. PBF24

    PBF24 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Floyd knows how to roll/slip the right hand over the top really well. Yes, Mosley caught him with it unexpectedly, but as the fight went on, he found a way to rolled/slipped most of Mosley's right hand over the top punches. He did the same thing against Oscar. Keep in mind that both Oscar and Mosley have much longer reach than Cotto, and Floyd knows how to fight tall efficiently well for a small guy.
     
  2. iuiubibi

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    Miguel is gonna switch south paw and hit Mayweather with a straight left. Oh god.:lol:
     
  3. Nopporn

    Nopporn Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You know....I read many posts in this forum suggesting Cotto to work at Floyd's body mainly. Do they think that it's gonna be easy to hit Floyd at his abdomen? If it were easy, Mosley, who's one of the best body punchers, would have done that. Anyway, another thing that Cotto needs to be worreid about is Floyd's elbows. He uses his elbows very well to frustrate his oponents. I have already shown this in one of my threads here a few days ago. Just take a look at it if you would.
     
  4. I1T2BOX

    I1T2BOX Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's done it before(Quintana), dont know what is so strange or funny about it, he is a lefty.
     
  5. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    And Mosley, and Judah, and Margarito, with great effect...I too fail to see the humor.

    Good points. I think that Cotto's jab is the way he's going to land the straight right. DLH's right hand (which was once upon a time, elite) wasn't what it was when he fought Floyd, but there were times when he landed a nice straight right following a jab that disguised it, after forcing Floyd to lean back. As long as Cotto keeps his feet under him as he moves forward (ie, avoids lunging) then 1-2's can be effective. Of course, Floyd adjusts very well and knows what punches to throw over another fighter's punches to discourage their use, but that's why Cotto has to maximize the use of his different dimensions as best he can and never give Floyd an easily identifiable pattern of punches & movements for more than a few rounds at a time. Floyd's timing is what compliments his speed so well, but Cotto setting the pace and distance will give him an advantage in anticipation.

    I think Cotto is basically an amalgamation of Hatton and Oscar in the ways he's going to have success in this fight. Hopefully, what DLH lacked in youth & variety, and what Hatton lacked in defense & size, plus what both lacked in alternative game-plans, Miguel and Diaz can make the absolute most of what he's got.
     
  6. I1T2BOX

    I1T2BOX Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yep...main reason I highlight Quintana is because he was having trouble until he switched and actually stopped Quintana.
     
  7. iuiubibi

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    Quintana isn't Floyd. You do know that right. That switching to southpaw would be the worst thing Cotto could do considering it would take away his only offensive weapon which his left hook and leave him even more open for the straight right.


    Brilliant gamplan switch to an uncomfortable stance against an Atg.:-(
     
  8. iuiubibi

    iuiubibi Member Full Member

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    67 inch reach Cotto is gonna out jab outbox smother Switch southpaw fight off the back foot all in one fight to beat Floyd.

    Methinks some of you need to join us in the real world where Floys has lost a few rounds in as many years and a shot Mayorga landed 50% of his power punches on Cotto.

    May 5th can't wait
     
  9. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Clearly you don't watch boxing with a close eye if you think that Cotto's right hasn't improved, that he is uncomfortable in a Southpaw stance, that Floyd isn't susceptible to a straight left from a southpaw with their lead foot on the outside, and that relying on the same strategic pattern is more valuable than giving different looks against someone like Mayweather. Cotto does it well, and there's no reason he should neglect it at the right opportunity.

    It's not going to be easy; using his size and strength on the inside to shuffle aside Floyd's guarding arms to set up openings is a common avenue for success he's used before, and might be even more effective now that his stance, guard, and balance fundamentals are reinforced. Likewise, forcing Floyd to cover up upstairs by feinting or throwing straight punches to the head may expose his body as well, as we saw it did against Ortiz. The forearm (I don't really believe it's an elbow) move could be a problem, but like another poster said, make him pay by swinging to the body may discourage that.
     
  10. SonOfCuba

    SonOfCuba Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Rounds 1 to 6 = Constantly work the body, 2 or 3 punch combos, will no doubt slow Floyd down a little bit
    Rounds 7 - 9 = Switch it up now and start attacking up top therefore slowly opening him up downstairs
    Round 10 - 12 = Maintain the pressure up top and hopefully connect a left hook to the body and cash out.

    Does two things, gives him a chance for the late K.O and also in terms of style plays to his favor which can help him be considered the pressure fighter and earn the points in the score cards.

    Thats going to be his game plan.
     
  11. I1T2BOX

    I1T2BOX Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nobody is comparing Quintana to Floyd, it was simply an indication that Cotto has switched stances before, thus him doing it against Floyd is not unlikely. Both stances are susceptible to different attacks, but if you are of the belief that Floyd will have an answer for everything Miguel does, then this is not the thread for you.
     
  12. tliang1000

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  13. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Maybe you should get your glasses checked before relying on the infamously flawed compubox system and join a gym or something so you can form some arguments that hold some weight.

    Jabbing with the jabber, even for a shorter man, is effective if you step in with it, either before, during, or after they throw it. Norton did it to Ali, Quartey did it to Oscar; it's a common practice. Cotto's jab is heavier, and the way Floyd leans back can allow someone to step in and throw follow-up punches. Cotto has switched Southpaw and fought off the back-foot effectively before; it's not an alien concept for him to do so this time, especially considering the widespread prediction that Floyd will try to come forward and the angle Judah was able to take advantage of in countering him.

    Funny thing is, even if Floyd does have an answer for everything Miguel does, it validates nothing about what nonsense fanboys spout. Being a fan of the superior technician doesn't automatically endow you with the knowledge necessary for the win yourself, it seems.
     
  14. iuiubibi

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    Bogotzo says cottos right hand is better based on fighting the dregs of the super welterweight division. Yet his right hand against pacquiai who is a magnet for a goid right was horrific. Take what he says with a grain gents.
     
  15. PBF24

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    Floyd is definitely going to have a similar fight game plan as he did when he fought JMM and Oscar. I think he respect fighters with good timing, and he's more hesitant and use more constant movement against them more so than he does against other opponents. I want Cotto to bring the best out of him and force him to move when he doesn't want to, make him punch when he doesn't want to, ect.