My thoughts on how Cotto can use the tools at his disposal to beat Mayweather

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  1. jeffjoiner

    jeffjoiner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great post. As a Cotto fan, this is my best case scenario: Cotto, able to jab his way inside, doesn't smother his offense and lands hard body blows early.

    I think keeping the Cuban trainer will help him with footwork and stamina. This would be a huge upset, but I've seen bigger in my lifetime.
     
  2. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    The uppercuts Cotto was eating at the end are a fair point;he started crouching in the clinch in the center of the ring. It seemed to me like he was trying to push Margarito back, and Antonio would suddenly move backwards and create a space in which he was able to land his uppercuts. They all looked like arm punches to me though; against the ropes, Cotto will have more leverage to keep his balance and potentially smother Floyd's right arm. One thing about the philly shell defense against the ropes is that since the left is used primarily for defense while the right switches between guarding the face and counter-punching, if you're able to smother or isolate the right hand, you're halfway home in terms of neutralizing the defender.

    And yes, I'm glad people are able to recognize this scenario is on Cotto's best possible night.
     
  3. Arcane

    Arcane One More Time Full Member

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    Great thread, well worth the read but still don't think Cotto has got enough to get the W
     
  4. I1T2BOX

    I1T2BOX Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Y'all go ahead and believe that...Bruseles is lightyears away from what Cotto is and Floyd is far from what he was back then.
     
  5. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Great post, I agree fully.

    Had you asked me too? Crap, must have missed that! Thank you man, I'd readily sit down and do the same, I'm always open for that kind of discussion (it's also why I translate so much of JMM's work.) I hope to hear what your thoughts are. We'll see how things are looking as the build-up progresses.

    Word. And yes, stranger things have happened in the sport, for sure.

    Fair enough, it is indeed a tall order. I'm glad you enjoyed the read, thanks for stopping in.
     
  6. jmmpbf

    jmmpbf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If or when Cotto gets countered by right hand leads it will be a long night for him.
     
  7. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    Cotto is one of my favorite fighters but he has no chance
     
  8. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Yup. Isolating that right hand should be a tactical priority. Otherwise, it will indeed be a long and painful night.

    Nobody has no chance.
     
  9. Ring Master

    Ring Master The Originator Full Member

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    Hey Bogo,

    What are your thoughts on Cotto's facial swelling and cuts affecting this fight?
     
  10. FinalBELL

    FinalBELL Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This^ Bruseles is similar to Cotto's style, only difference is Cotto does this style 10x better. Plus, Mayweather is not as fast as he once was so that video holds nothing!

    Great analysis by the thread starter on Cotto's real ability and possibly effective gameplan.

    Cotto def can win this, and as some people have already put it; Cotto has a chance, and if Cotto wins than I have seen bigger upsets.
     
  11. Hook!

    Hook! Proud member of team G. Full Member

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    Hey Bogo, nice thread

    you say about cotto applying relaxed pressure when floyd moves straight back, don't ya think floyd will just fire the uppercut which will land all night on cotto?
    floyd doesn't mind fighting on the ropes (hence the non lateral movement) i think that could make for a good fight! :good
     
  12. illwill007

    illwill007 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hey Bogo,

    great post as usual! I actually see your points, but don't think that Cotto will be able to execute enough of that game plan to win. I am glad that you pointed out that this is going to have to be a best-case scenario (that is showing full respect to Floyd's skill). Cotto starts to back peddle and becomes tentative when things stop going his way. I cant get past Cotto's mindset to actually favor him, let alone handicap the fight to this degree. The intangible here is Cotto's confidence knowing that he his going up against arguably the best in the game right now. I do agree that he has the tools though. Lets continue threads like this. Its very nice to have thread void of ***** and ******* type comments. Good job respecting both fighters abilities!
     
  13. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Thanks man.

    I definitely think Floyd will have a chance to do the more accurate work on the inside, but it all depends on Cotto's balance and the way he leans on him. He showed tighter punches and more savvy movement in the clinch against Margarito, and if he doesn't hunch over like he used to, he'll be able to see the uppercut easier and smother/block it. As I mentioned before, isolating the right hand in the pocket should be a tactical priority, and I think Diaz will be making sure to drill that during camp. With a Philly Shell defense, a smothered or isolated right hand really limits your options because of the way the stance is angled (Chavez was a master at using his left arm/elbow to smother the right hand on the inside.) A lot of people smother their punches and allow Floyd to clinch and restart, or catch them coming in. If Cotto leans, shifts his body weight, throws short combinations, and then maybe restart to offset his rhythm, it could work very well for him.

    Thanks man, I'm glad you see my post for what it is. If the fire is back in Miguel, then I think there's a chance his passion and the technical discipline invoke by this trainer can lead him to a victory, or at least a spirited offensive attempt. And I completely agree that Cotto's mentality has a lot to do with it. My instincts tell me that if Cotto was able to trade with Margarito without fear and still have the sharpness to be defensively responsible throughout, that he'll be on point against Mayweather as long as he still has some fight left in him, just like the Cotto of old would have done. And I agree, let's continue technical conversations that don't involve nut-hugging and bashing. Celebrating fighters is always the better route to take for boxing fans :good
     
  14. Hook!

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    cottos clinching improved so much in the margo fight! i was shocked!
    he might see it easier but floyd will still catch him with it, i reckon he may use the flickr jab to occupy cotto then fire it but obviously he won't do that if he is trying to catch cotto on his way in. yeah cotto has to keep him punches short, that is vital. floyd will jab to the body if the right hand aint working (he will jab to the body anyway). i think floyd could easily adjust to to anything cotto tries however cotto will have some success imo. :good:bbb
     
  15. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Floyd's versatility and ability to adjust is the most dangerous thing about him, which is why I urge Cotto to try and give as many different looks as he can.