My thoughts on Joe Calzaghe and Floyd Mayweather Jr

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  1. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Joe Calzaghe and Floyd Mayweather Jr have been critizied for the level of their past oppoistion. This criticism is somewhat fair more so for Calzaghe in my opinion than Mayweather. I don't think that Calzaghe has fought anyone who is anywhere near his level with the exception of Jeff Lacy. Mayweither I don't think he has fought the best but his oppistion has not been as bad as his detractors clame.
    Ok. Now to the point of this post both Calzaghe and Mayweither are about to take on opoent who can beat them. It is Ok to criticize their past level of oppistion but you have to credit them for taking on. Ricky Hatton and Mikkel Kessler. I probbly wont root for eather in their upcomeing fights, but my respect has gone up for both of them.
     
  2. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Nobody should question their opposition after their upcoming fights. Both are taking on undefeated champions. I know Mayweather isn't fighting Cotto, Mosley, or Williams (legitimate welterweights), but the Hatton fight is a step in that direction. And Calzaghe is taking on a guy who many believe is the best at 168, so no problems there. Mayweather, in my opinion, has already established himself as an ATG so now he's looking to add to his legacy. Calzaghe on the other hand is looking to become one of the greats and a win over Mikkel Kessler (which I predict) will solidify his place as a great fighter.
     
  3. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mayweather is in a better position here than Joe. And Mayweather has dealt with most of his possible good opponents (Corales, Castillo, Judah, DeLahoya, and soon, Hatton. He still needs SSM and Cotto to have 'cleaned up'.

    Joe suffered here because he is so far above all the other SMWs.

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    Partly true, the first part, and that's because they didn't exist (save for Roy, and Roy wasn't too interested).

    Re: the second part: Jeff Lacey was NOT near Joe's level and not his best win.
     
  4. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well Jones was not at 168 when Calzaghe came to prominance.
     
  5. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He tried to get RJJ to come down to him and to his home country when Jones was #1 P4P and the LHW champion. It wasn't about money, it was that Calzaghe didn't have the clout to ask that of Jones and wasn't willing to go to Jones.

    I don't think he is not well received because he is not American. Lewis is rated highly and he is not American. Hatton is rated highly and he is not American.
     
  6. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The WBO title isn't better than anyone elses. Joe is better, not the title.

    Hell, its why his opposition has been lacking somewhat. It's not as bad as they say, but not great by any means.

    The WBO doesn't strip fighters like the other orgs do, but often their rankings have been horrible resulting in horrible mandatories. But he has beaten some good fighters. He also missed some great ones.
     
  7. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lewis made his career beating top level fighters. Who cares where they are from? You do....

    No one complained when Lewis fought Bruno.

    And Hatton has been rated highly for a while now. You are just tossing in your opinion now to make your point. He IS rated as the top 140lb fighter, and if people think he can beat PBF, then he is obviously thought highly of and that's the proof.
     
  8. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think you are missing my point. Criticism of their oppistion is fair but we need to give them credit for upcomeing fights.
     
  9. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Another pathetic name calling keyboard warrior who can't debate cordially.

    You have no point. And I picked Calzaghe to beat Kessler so that was idiotic to say.

    The WBO doesn't have a legacy. Calzaghe does.
     
  10. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I never said SMW. I said great fighters. Like other great fighters, he can move up in weight to challenge other great fighters.
     
  11. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Learn to read yourself. I JUST said something about the WBO and you posted about it with a bunch of ignorant name calling and didn't mention a name. Learn to use the quote button that way your post is in context.

    Call me names all you like. It's the internet and you're the only one pissed off here.
     
  12. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    You're definitely correct...Joe is too afraid to fight anybody with a pulse. Who the hell is this Kessler guy anyways? If Calzaghe doesn't want to be remembered as a "***** fighter with ***** fans," he should take on a real challenger like Markus Beyer or Jurgen Braehmer.
     
  13. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    So now you think he ducked Stieglitz? :lol:
     
  14. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They ripped into him because he looked bad, not because he was English. The fact that they think he can beat PBF says they think he is good. No one here, even PBF's haters, pick just anyone to beat PBF.

    Lewis was rated highly when he beat Bruno. He was #3 by Ring who only had Holyfield who had 2 titles and was Lineal and Bowe who was the former champion (they had split their matches) ahead of him. No one complained when he fought Bruno to my memory.
     
  15. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Say what you want. You are angry and you haven't proven anything. I think it's funny. Keep it up, you look like a moron doing it.