My thoughts on Mayweather VS Cotto; hats off to both Miguel and Floyd! Great fight

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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    First off, hats off to both fighters. This fight was a great entertaining mix between a boxing match and a straight up brawl. I take my hats off to the toughness of Miguel Cotto and Floyd Mayweather Jr. This is what boxing is about.

    I was really impressed with Mayweather in this fight. The way that he was looping his right hand around Cotto’s high guard was really smart, and he was able to do it from early on. He was consistently throwing hard shots throughout the fight, and his guard (what I think is his most valuable assets) saved him from a lot of punches. I always knew he had the belief in himself to make it through a tough fight like he has before, and his ATG heart pulled him through, while Cotto proved he is a hall of famer through his insistent pressure. Floyd’s movement was also on point; along the perimeter of the ring, he was turning both left and right very effectively. He gave Cotto a lot of looks to avoid him from coming in easily like a bull.

    Cotto outperformed my expectations on the inside. While he did use a lateral gameplan in spots against Floyd, he only really worked defensively for small parts of the fight, and was a relentless pressure fighter for most of it. Spinning out and muscling Floyd towards the ropes was also a vestige of the Margarito fight that I thought was a valuable asset; he controlled the center for long stretches. I thought it was interesting that around the 4th, he called the bluff of Mayweather’s pull counter and popped out a hard jab before he was able to dodge it. He also ducked under a good amount of lead and counter rights; he was prepared for it. Also, in the 6th, he instinctively turned southpaw, and caught Floyd with a big straight left. While Floyd hurt him with an uppercut in the 12th and caught him with it a few times before, he positioned his body and hands in a way that he wasn’t constantly getting popped by them despite fighting out of pressure-fighting stance. I also thought that his body punching was largely being overlooked by the commentators; jabs to the body, and combinations of right hook downstairs and right hand upstairs were real effective. I thought the crowd was also overreacting to combinations that were landing on Cotto's gloves. That jab on the inside was also interesting; it kept Floyd at bay as he muscled him into the corner. His whole game when shoulder to shoulder was craftier than I thought he’d be willing to pull off. Thought i was surprised that in the first 4, Cotto was boxing quite evenly with Mayweather with patience.

    Overall, we all know Miguel exceeded a majority’s expectations; his stamina was there, his right hand was there, his upper body movement and guard were there, and his willingness to absorb punishment while dishing out his own showed everyone what he was made of. As far as the scoring, I was obviously absorbed in the excitement of the moment as a fan of Miguel (along with the buzz of a few beers), and found it odd Lederman had given Mayweather the first 3 rounds; I thought Cotto won the first on the right-left-right combination against the ropes, and edged the next two on jabs and body punches, only slightly. I stopped trying to score after the sixth, but I will need to go back and revisit the rounds to get a clear-headed perspective on the victor, as I thought the judges had it way too wide for Floyd.

    I’d love to hear your guys’ perspective on the fight, any observations you made or key points to elaborate on, and any responses to claims and strategies I’ve outlined in the past. All in all, I’m glad this night of elite boxing delivered, I congratulate both men, and I hope they get the respect they deserve.
     
  2. Gandul

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    I think Cotto spent a lot of energy figuring Floyd for the first three rds. After Cotto reached some succes is when he was able to relax a bit. Personally, I want to see a Floyd vs Cotto 2. I think that Cotto made somewhat of a blue print and that a second fight will perhaps give him an edge. All he needs to do is to move his head a little so he doesn't get touched by Floyd's right hand and work on a uppercut defense and that's it... I honestly feel that Miguel has a much better chance... His stamina was a lot better this time but trying to figure out Floyd's defense during the first few rds really cost him on that department. Awsome fight!!! I feel very proud of Miguel tonight.
     
  3. thawk888

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    The first 3 rounds were all Mayweather. Cotto was getting sharp shot. Look back at the broadcast, his families faces said it all. Mayweather for some reason (which I didn't like) made it more of a fight than he needed to. When he kept his movement, it was fairly easy.
     
  4. Bazt3k

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    Holy **** i love floyd. But this fight was ****ing close! Me and my mate were aww at how bad may looked.. Getting tagged alot, seemed really lathargic dodent seem to pop half of hes punches... Pacquiao actually has a chancw against may now id say..

    Cotto looked AMAZING!!!
     
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  6. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I simply disagree on first viewing. I saw Cotto block a lot. But I'll go back eventually.

    Interesting points; I think Cotto could actually do better in a rematch, now that he knows what to expect from Floyd, but then again, he's seen a lot of wear and tear. But he had a lot of success, even in some rounds he lost. He missed a lot, but in the rounds he threw the most, he landed a lot as well.

    I think a lot of the rounds were close, and Floyd at times simply looked defensive, much as in the DLH fight, though I don't think he ever looked bad, he's just held to a high standard as a defensive ATG. Great fight though, Cotto came to fight!
     
  7. dubace

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    great fight all around. way closer than the judges had it! that said, styles make fights as well as that weight, and cotto was the right person to beat mayweather, if it's at 154 and nothing lower. hats off to both men, as well as to canelo and mosley. great fight card all the way through!
     
  8. Midwest_Chopper

    Midwest_Chopper Shalom Full Member

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    Cotto blocked so many of Floyds punches hes in the hospital pissing blood. Another brilliant analysis
     
  9. PetethePrince

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    Cotto showed he had stamina, although that it was not enough. He showed he was conditioned greatly and that he had an immense heart. What a performance, great resilience.

    I thought Cotto showed his best moments when he initiated and pressed Floyd. Floyd is best in the center of the ring, and best when he's initiating. Floyd is so defensively-oriented that while he is great counter-puncher; he's not an active counter-puncher. Not in the same way a younger Floyd was. I thought Cotto did solid body-work, he jabbed to the body well. I do think he should have jabbed more. He could have doubled that jab to get Mayweather reacting and then focused on backing straight up. Mayweather can not block or avoid everything.

    I do not agree with your assessment of the first 3 rounds. I thought Cotto may have won the 2nd round, but that Cotto won the 1st and 3rd and had a large amount of success when Cotto was in the center. Only the 6th did Cotto show that he could be successful boxing and moving and reducing Floyd's output. While Cotto's guard was fairly effective against Floyd's right hands, and forced Floyd to loop shots more I wish Cotto moved his head a little more. At least to avoid that right hand that he got hit with a bit too ofte.

    I knew he would get the better of these moments as naturally is the most offensively oriented pressure fighter, and the fact that he gets a lower center of gravity and really digs to the body. It's just suited toward his style. Floyd can't work as much when he's trying to catch and slip punches. I wished he showed more dimensions to his in-fighting though. I wished he shifted to his right and tried attacking with his left hook down the middle where Floyd's defensive is most vulnerable and most easily penetrated. Cotto was smart enough to realize that Floyd was more hittable up the middle and did well to attack in this fashion at times.

    Personally, I think the fight showed Floyd's Ring IQ are slightly overestimated (Judah faltered as Floyd mentioned in the post-fight, Oscar tired and couldn't get in position to throw his jab. Floyd didn't nullify it with the counter right hand). It also showed that he's not a high volume fighter that's capable of being out-worked. Cotto did a great job getting Floyd in vulnerable situations, Floyd did seem eager to fight on the ropes more often than he probably needed to.

    Overall both fighters showed heart. Floyd is a master technical-boxer with some grit. Cotto immensely impressed me. What heart and resilience. That 8th round was insanely exciting. I thought Cotto spent his tank largely winning that round. If Cotto had better stamina it would have made for a really interesting fight.
     
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  11. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    In no way did I suggest Floyd did not land hard consistent punches throughout the fight. Kindly exit the thread if you're going to be a biased piece of **** instead of a boxing fan. Thank you.
     
  12. igor_otsky

    igor_otsky Undefeated Full Member

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    Great fight indeed. Cotto muscling out Floyd and getting rounds because of that was I think made it a candidate for the fight of the year. Good defense by Floyd, and his right hands pouring over cotto's defense was shockingly accurate.,
     
  13. Hotsauce

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    pedro diaz deserves his props
     
  14. devon

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    When was the last time a major fight was this good.
     
  15. VARG

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    My biggest issues was that he wasn't going to work when he should've when he had Mayweather pinned and those scorecards being so wide. I stopped worrying so much about cards as I already KNEW that wouldn't give it to him regardless. But overall, the lack of work on the ropes towards the halfway mark was the downfall of what was looking to be a VERY effective way to beat Mayweather.

    Some interesting things to look at was, according to Compubox, Mayweater's accuracy dropped SIGNIFICANTLY and Cotto was actually one of the few fighters EVER to land more than 20% of his total punches...BUT...another interesting point to make is that this fight had one of the highest volume of shots thrown from Mayweather in roughly 4 or 5 years. He's definitely trying to become a more offensive fighter.

    Overall though, just seeing Mayweather look like just another guy in there, have a busted ass nose and going through a tough tough fight...I couldn't be more proud and happier with Miguel. The only thing I would've loved to see was an interview. But...**** it. What I got said it all.