My thoughts on Mosley vs Margarito

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  1. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tonight is actually a fight I have been anticipating for some time. It's the classic matchup of the old king vs. the young lion, and it is a very important for the Welterweight division.

    We all know both Mosley and Margarito come to fight, and fight hard. This will be no pity pat contest, and both fighters could be hurt by the other throughout the fight.

    I have noticed alot of people on the board (and most in the media) are picking Margarito. The argument is that Margarito is way too big and strong at this point, and Mosley is too old. Many even think Margo will be the first to stop Shane, and make easy work of him.

    A look at the style matchup, however, leads me to a different conclusion.

    First, let's look at Mosley. Mosley is 37, but he still posseses excellent hand speed, a rock hard chin, and good power. People look at the Mayorga fight, and think that Shane looked old and slow, even with the highlight reel KO at the end. But here is something to consider: Mayorga is actually bigger than Shane and came in the ring with a 10lb weight advantage. When Mayorga fought DLH and Tito, they were both taller and larger than Mayorga, hence the brutal KO's. Mayorga also fought one of the best tactical (if you want to call it that) fights he has fought in some time. He took Mosley seriously, and tried to really push him. Mosley, like the experienced veteran he is, broke him down and took him out.

    Let it also be said that Mosley was laid off for almost a year before that fight, and it is easy to see why he had some difficulty.

    In order for Mosley to beat Margarito, he must use his considerable speed and footwork, constantly giving Margo different looks and keeping Margo off balance. He should not run from Margo, but pick his spots where to stand and fight. Mosley can bang with anyone at 147, and his handspeed and combination punching could spell big trouble for Margarito, especially when he stands and fights.

    Mosley must also stay true to form, and attack Margo's body early and often. The way Margo holds his arms makes hooks to the body somewhat difficult, but he is actually open for jabs and uppercuts to the body. His stomach is right there and open for Shane to hit, but he must commit to the uppercut. The Jab to the body can also open Margo up for more body and head shots, so Shane should use that as well.

    One thing I feel Shane has to do at a certain point, many will disagree that it is even possible, is start to back Margo up. Easier said than done for sure as Margo seems to have no reverse gear, but I feel Shane can do it if he uses speed and angles correctly. I says he needs to do this because not only will it impress the judges, but it gives him a psychological edge on Margo. If MArgo finds himself backed up at any point, especially if he is put against the ropes, Margo would be in big trouble and would forced to find a way to respond. The mental game will be important in this fight.

    In order for Margarito to win, he must use contant pressure, as is his M.O. But he must also try to stand up a bit straighter when he fights Shane, to try to limit how many times Shane hits him. Margarito has a height advantage over most opponets, but he rarely uses it. He bends down quite a bit, and while he is excellent at digging to the body, it really does open him up to take alot of punishment in return. If he can limit the amount of times Shane punches him, he can then begin to try to push Shane back, becuase if he comes in tall, I believe it will give him even more strength than he normally has, and better balance to land his blows.

    Margo must commit to a body attack, and he must do it from the 1st round on. If he wants to take some of that Speed and agility away from Shane, there is his chance. He must also try to cut off the ring on Shane, and it would help if he uses his jab more. A good jab can negate speed and time an opponent, and while no one would accuse Margarito of having a great jab, he used it sparringly against Cotto, and it allowed him to cut the distance and get at him. If he can land a jab on Shane repeatedly, this will make Margo's usual wear and tear game even more of a threat, and it will force Shane to fight, even when he doesn't really want to.

    After really looking at the style matchup, I acutally will go against conventional wisdom and pick Shane Mosley to beat Margarito. The percieved advantages that Margo has in size are misleading, not only because he gives up his height, but also because Shane has fought bigger men than Margo, and at a higher weight class.

    People also point to the Cotto fights that both had, but again, I don't think these fights say much about how they match up. Margo had a distinct size advantage over Cotto, who is smaller than Mosley, and Cotto had never really fought anyone that big or with that style. He knew how to hit Margo, but he did not know how to stop Margo from hitting him. Cotto got the win over Shane, but Shane could have easily gotten the nod. That fight was so close, again, becuase of style. A guy who boxes and moves can give Mosley problems, but a guy who comes in, defense be damned, and wings shots is made to order for Mosley. Factor in that Mosley is mentally and physically stronger than Cotto, and I think the reasoning that Margo beat Cotto, Cotto Beat Shane, and so Margo will beat Shane is cast into doubt.

    Of course, this will be a rough fight, and Margo can win it, but I feel he will not have to just dig deep, but correct some the tactical mistakes I referred to earlier. I really don't think he can just walk at Shane, taking big shot after big shot, round after round. No one, and I mean no one, has ever beaten Shane by allowing Shane to hit him flush all night long. Margo will have to show new dimension to his skill and defense, and I do not believe he posseses at this time.

    This is just my analysis, and I could be wrong. But the more I look at it, I just see Shane winning. If Shane follows a strong, consistent gameplan to exploit Margo's technical mistakes (and Nazim Richardson will surely see the things we see and probably some things we don't), he can use his natural ability and advantages in speed and skill to get a convincing win over Margo.

    My final pick: Shane goes to the well again to produce a signature win over Margarito by convincing UD. I would say late stoppage, but Margo is so damn tough. We shall see.

    Enjoy the first superfight of the year fellas. :yep:good
     
  2. iceman

    iceman Tis my Island Full Member

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    I predict a re-run of the Cotto fight - Shane will win the early rounds but succumb to Margo's relentless pressure late on.

    Margarito ko11
     
  3. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    Nice way to go about it, Shane and Cotto are very similar.
     
  4. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    Nice analysis fellas all make good sense.

    I'm sticking with Margarito UD but the closer it gets I'll be leaning towards Shane. He has a great trainer and if he can execute well I don't see how he could lose.
     
  5. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Margarito protects his body very well by tucking his elbows inside. He leaves himself open upstairs because he can take a rock solid punch, one after another.

    Mosley has never been a powerful guy at welter. Hence his BALCO days. He needed the cream to beat DLH and he knew it. Terrific lightweight but since he left lightweight his power seriously diminished. It took him round after round of hitting Wilfredo Rivera with flush punches. He had to grind down a much more limited version of Margarito for 10 full rounds. This was years ago when Mosley was in his prime.

    Fastforward to now Mosley is 37 years old. He doesn't have the endurance to do what he did to Rivera years ago. And Margarito is that much more dangerous.

    Expect a hardcore beating.
     
  6. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    With all due respect to Hopkins/Nazim I think Pavlik being sick and the move up in weight had more to do with that fight than anything else. Hopkins could afford that strategy because he was the bigger man that night and had serious energy. We never see Hopkins tired the way we've seen Mosley tired.
     
  7. AbbasKhan6428

    AbbasKhan6428 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I say mosley UD, with a few scares. I think mosley will be tired as hell but him racking up the early rounds will help him tremendously. his speed will show and I think margo will be discouraged wen his plan A fails (knock out mosley) and he dont have another plan that'll work on the quicker mosley. Margo never had to learn how to win a differnent way and adapt to am alternative gameplan with a elite fighter

    mosley will start loosing the later rounds but by then it will be too late for margo. bye bye tornado
     
  8. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good stuff guys. I just can't wait for the fight. I'm pulling for Shane though.
     
  9. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pavlik would have lost to Hopkins 10 times out of 10, that was a horrible style match up for him.
     
  10. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Compukiller,

    Let's see if your prediction holds up to a tee again like it did with Berto/Collazo and Hopkins/Pavlik.
     
  11. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Indeed:happy:happy
     
  12. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    Margarito TKO12 Mosley

    It's going to be a brutal war with a brutal ending.
     
  13. eltorrente

    eltorrente Active Member Full Member

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    I see Mosley winning the first 1/3rd of the fight handily.

    Second 1/3rd, he won't be able to resist pressing the attack and taking more chances, with overconfidence/pride coming into play here. Good exchanges and both fighters landing solid shots.

    Last 1/3rd, the Terminator just keeps coming and coming - hurting Mosley and either stopping him around the 10th round, or getting a UD.

    I think Mosley actually has the physical skills to win the fight, but he won't be able to resist mixing it up and taking too many chances. He'll take Margarito's shots early and think he has nothing to worry about, but the cumulative effects will likely be too much late in the fight - ala Cotto.

    It's gonna be an exciting fight, that's for sure.
     
  14. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My objective mind saids Marg UD 8-4. Shane will have his moments as he's got the superior hand speed and boxing skills but Marg's youth, size, stamina, chin, work rate and pressure will get him the nod IMO. Hope i'm wrong though.
     
  15. trac209

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    i think by the 5th round shane will be looking for the door,he can't hurt margo and it will be done by 9