My tiered all time heavyweight ratings

I do think Marciano's contenders where a level over Liston's though. No way I rank Big Cat over the likes of Walcott or Charles or even Moore at heavyweight.

 

Double standards here, I think. What about Marty Marshall, Cleveland Williams, Bennie Thomas, Bert Whitehurst, Leotis Martin...? And I think Marciano's wins were over better opposition. H2H I might agree. I like a lot of the ratings to be fair but have a quibble with Hank Griffin, way too high IMO.

 

Thanks I see your standards; but I was confused because you have Charles high-& ranked twice!
So I guess that is a mistake, & you will choose just one era?
Because otherwise Ali & Louis at least would seem to deserve to be listed in consecutive eras, based upon both their records & title defenses.

I saw Corbett's record as the higher #s, still not a superb record for so few fights, but maybe he deserves that placement based upon competition.
Why did some guys fight at HW even when they had weight categories above 150 then-it was discretionary?

I can see the logic for Tunney, IF you count his LHW fights based upon that weight principle.
Sullivan deserved an "L", & might have fouled his way to victory other times?
I am interested in that Vitali article, either posted here or feel free to send it to me IF private!
I am unsure what you mean re: the single SHW points win since 1990-sometimes your wording is a 'lil confusing...

 

The FIRST Whitehurst fight was a "hard fought win" according to the St Louis Post-Dispatch of April 4th, no knockdowns in a clear ten round points win against a man who had won only 8 of his previous 22 fights. I'll give you the Martin one but even without it, that's a way more struggles than Rocky had. And I rate wins over Layne, LaStarza, Moore, Louis, Walcott and Charles over wins over Patterson, Machen, Folley and Williams, my take.
The Griffin rating I knock for the following reasons, his best win is over a green Jack Johnson or an even greener Frank Childs(if it even happened). He lost to Frank Russell(ko), a very green Jeffries, Ed Martin(ko), Bob Jones proved his superior, and draws with the limited Joe Kennedy a great resumee does not make,ok, but not great. For the life of me, I cant see any reason to rate him above Maher, Choynski, Hart, McCoy, and O’Brien who you rate reasonably. BTW Ed Martin should be in there too.

 

Why Povetkin over Usyk, Fury, Joshua, and Wilder? Povetkin never even held a legit heavyweight title.

 

Very good I responded to your message!
Also Vitali seems like a great guy; & I like his personal & political integrity.

I knew Jeffries had more fights, not that Corbett had that many.
In the past you had Pitched Battles here about how good Johnson was or was not correct?
Those have long subsided?

 

I really look forward to that!

O us a favor & when you create the next meaningful historical revelations thread, describe your background, experience, any research or scholarship so we know who you are & see what you have done for many years.

It does not matter in an informal forum, but sometimes your grammar is a bit mangled-like check the second sentence of this post I am replying to.
Not that effects the Truth or quality of your claims, but it can be a bit confusing.
Although I know what you meant in that & most cases...

 

Nice work and thanks for sharing.

Just curious.

Someone wrote that Tunney had 18 fights at HW - I’m not sure if that it is meant to be as simple as taking Tunney’s last 18 fights as being at HW - perhaps it is the explanation/intention. I’m not sure.

I understand your consideration of comparable weights and not just accepting the term HW in name only.

So how many fights do you deem Tunney to have had at HW and which fights have you included?

It seems at least several engagements with Greb might’ve been included - with Greb’s weights ranging from mid 160s to early 170s for his fights vs Tunney.

I understand that Johnson’s engagements with late 150 lbs Langford and late 160 lbs Burns can be considered comparable in terms of the literal weight of the opposition.

Anyway, if you could list Tunney’s acknowledged (as you see it) HW engagements it would help to properly compare it to that of Johnson’s.

No dramas if it’s too much to do - you’ve already put enormous work into it.

 

Russell knocked out Griffin, no injury involved.