My top 10 featherweights of all time

So the fact that Rodriguez clearly proved himself the better man in their series, regardless of the official scorecards, doesn't play into this in your opinion? Rodriguez's greater ability and versatility play no part in your ranking of the fighters. You claimed to have scored the series 2-2. Let's see the scorecards and who you scored for in each fight then. How did you score the 3rd fight, which was officially a Griffith win and is on Youtube? I got the impression that Rodriguez was a step ahead most of the time and was the better fighter overall, so if that's one of the bouts they're giving to Griffith, I can only imagine the rest.

He lost a split decision in their first fight, won the rematch, and lost on a 15th round stoppage 5 years later toward the end of his Welterweight career. Regardless of the weight, I'd probably be just a tad more embarassed at Emile's performance against Rubin Carter.

I've seen only brief footage of this fight, but I believe I heard somewhere that this was another one of Griffith's dodgy decisions, and the footage that I saw backs these claims up, as he was getting pretty much schooled off the ropes by the smaller Harris.

That may be true, but to say he had a short prime is very inaccurate IMO. He had a very long prime and reign at the top, even if you believe he was capable of more as a fighter.

 

Griffith got embarrassingly schooled in the second Rodriguez fight and edged in most rounds in the third fight as well.

Griffith was never the same after the tragic third Paret fight? What a pity. If only we got to see more of the prime fighter that was capable of losing to Paret in the rematch. And you call losing to Curtis Cokes embarrassing? I know who I'd rather lose to between Cokes and Paret.

By the way Suzie, for the second time I'm going to ask you, do you have any scorecards for the Rodriguez-Griffith fights? I find it surprising you have seen all four fights.

 

My scorecards for fights 1 and 4 between Luis and Emile:

Fight #1:

Griffith: rds 1,6,7

Rodriguez: rds 2,4,5,8,9,10

Even: rd 3

Scores: 97-93 for Rodriguez

Luis body punching from the start slowed Emile down enough in the last three rounds for him to pull ahead and win on my card by using his superior ring generalship and jab from long range.

Emile did wobble Luis with a right hand left hook combination though early in rd3 and had him in some big trouble, one of the few times I`ve seen Luis hurt that way but to his credit Luis held on for a bit and then spun off the ropes and let Griffith chase after him looking to end it and punch himself out in the process.

With about a minute left in the round Luis came back impressively and really dug into Emile`s body with some painful punches that clearly had Emile in some discomfort and had him hold on to buy himself some time, shortly afterwards the round ended and I scored it evenly due to Luis coming back as strongly as he did to end the frame.


Fight #4:

Griffith: rd 14

Rodriguez: rds 1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,15

Even: rd 3 due to a point being taken away from Luis by the ref for a low blow in a round which he clearly won, the call was questionable in my opinion especially considering that Emile had landed one moments earlier out of what appeared to be frustration as Luis was on his bycicle and controlling the tempo of the bout from the opening bell and was simply retaliating to Emile`s gesture.

Anyway after having re-watched this bout recently after a few years since the last time I viewed it I had forgotten just how bad a decision this was, honestly this ranks right up there with Harada`s loss to Famechon in the first fight as far as blatant robberys go, the crowd was rather vocal in its disapproval of the decision as well for what its worth.

My scorecards for fights 2 and 3 are here somewhere as well, but without bothering to find them up I remember having Luis a definite winner in fight #2 by six points and in fight #3 by four or five points I believe it was.

 

And the Paret fight Griffith lost is insignificant because it occurred where?

Actually had it 98-94, and I didn't score the knockdown in the last round. Happy for it be scored a knockdown though, but I still felt Johnson had the better of the round, so it would be a 10-9 for Charles at best imo. With that score Johnson wins by 2 points on my card. Heck, even with a 10-8 round Johnson wins by a point on my card. Too much points built up with that jab. Charles looked old and sloppy and though he was clearly the stronger and landing the more thudding shots, Johnson was a lot more precise with his punches, landing quite a bit more.

 

And yet, you hold the Zamora fight against Pedroza, even though that was at batamweight, not featherweight.

Just saying.

 

Carter may have been a natural middleweight but Griffith was a large welterweight who filled out rather nicely at the weight. Pedroza, in contrast, was rail thin at bantamweight, and you could tell it wasn't his best weight.

If you count the Pedroza loss to Zamora against him, then you should count the Carter loss against Griffith.

So there.

 

You need to spend far less time at those "other" sites suzie

You should know by now the good oil is here

 

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It was a fight that could have gone either way. Nothing close to a horrible decision. (I'm talking about Griffith Paret here, not Rodriguez-Griffith III, which could only go either way on the 'but Griffith was walking forward therefore let's give him points for that alone' front.)

I scored it by a point for Paret, but I had about 4 even rounds in my scoring. It was one of the few times a close fight actually went against Griffith.

 

I hope this outburst happened BEFORE we had our lengthy debate on Morales/Barrera :think