Ruben consistently weighed in below the middleweight limit in his prime..well below sometimes. Emile pretty much only made 147 for title fights and was well proven at middleweight..probably more so then Ruben ever was. Had jnr middle been as established as it is now in their era..they both probably would have been doing a lot of their work at that weight.
Sweet Pea knows his stuff but I admit being a little dumbfounded by the Pedroza whupping Pep statement. I can't see his rough long style punching getting through much on Willy, but I can see Willy catching him plenty with counters to the head.
Pedroza was the taller fighter with the longer reach, and posessed similar physical attributes such as speed and agility, only in a longer body frame. His rough inside work and outright exceptional inside skills would give Pep a lot of problems. He wouldn't be able to out-maneuver the smooth and skilled Pedroza the way he would Saddler, who was awkward and out of his comfort zone at long range. I just see Pedroza's physical play and physical advantages getting the better of Pep. I think you guys are really underestimating Pedroza's skills, especially SuzieQ. I see a smooth, fluid boxer with experience and craftiness when I watch Pedroza. Imagine a smaller, smoother Hopkins.
MIKE CASEY'S ALL-TIME TOP 20 01. Jem Driscoll (Ireland) 02. Willie Pep (USA) 03. Henry Armstrong (USA) 04. Sandy Saddler (USA) 05. Abe Attell (USA) 06. Johnny Kilbane (USA) 07. Vicente Saldivar (Mexico) 08. Alexis Arguello (NIcaragua) 09. Owen Moran (England) 10. Terry McGovern (USA) 11. Johnny Dundee (USA) 12. Young Griffo (Australia) 13. Kid Chocolate (Cuba) 14. Salvador Sanchez (Mexico) 15. Eder Jofre (Brazil) 16. Marco Antonio Barrera (Mexico) 17. Erik Morales (Mexico) 18. George Dixon (Canada) 19. Young Corbett II (USA) 20. Manny Pacquiao (Philippines)
I agree with this completely. Pedroza is one of the more difficult matchups at 126 all-time. Other than not being a huge puncher, he had a very complete skillset.