My Top 10 Hardest punchers EverBob

Big N Bad · Oct 5, 2008

Foreman Rules said:

Firstly I have seen all the available footage of Sam Langford and secondly I have seen footage of his oponents and read newspaper acounts of his fights.

I am therfore perfectly able to make a judgment about his punching ability.

You are wrong child, Watching a few videos of a 160 pound man fight some unskilled fighters of 80 years ago and reading a few news paper articles doesn't show you how hard a guy can punch. Again 160 pounds isnt heavyweight so that throws him out of this topic to began with.

He knocked out pleant of white men over 200 lbs which is not inherantly any easier than knocking out a black man over 200 lbs. He clearly knocked out the best fighters over 200 lbs that were available at the time.

He may be a cruiserweight in todays money but he still happens to be the most effective all round puncher of any weight over 175 lbs outside of the names I have listed.

The fact that he did not fight certain black fighters dose not in anyway detract from his punching ability.

Jack Dempsey didnt fight any black fighters period because he was a coward. Again read what above what I type about Louis. Read about about what I typed about Langford. Fighting guys with small, gloves back when boxing was in its infancy and avoiding fighting a guy because of skin color only makes you great in the eyes of people like you

From 160 pounds and up who has the best fighters today? White people do, Not only in boxing but in all physical combat sports. So apparently whites are better now right? So if a black man wants to call himself the best he would have to fight the best and that means fighting alot of white guys. If a doesnt then he isnt the best.

It has nothing to do with being racist of biased it has to do with logic. You cant avoid a certain race and get credit for doing so. You can't fight 3rd rate hacks and look impressive and then get credit for it.
What race has producted the most heavyweight champions over the last 50 years? Blacks and as i said how many black heavyweights did Joe Louis fight period? He did not fight any yet the 2 blacks he fight fight beat him 2 out of the 3 times they fought him. Joe Louis fought so many bums they started to call his opponets the bum of the month. They didnt call them that because they were good you know. Based on logic if you would of put a guy like Lance Whitaker against the same people Joe Louis fought he would of did even better but nobody thinks Lance is a all time great.
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dude, you need to start using the 'quote' button

Arka · Oct 5, 2008

Of the greats,Foreman's right hook or Lennox Lewis's overhand right were amazingly powerful. Tyson was probably punching his hardest at around 95/96.Of course it's a question of landing the punch flush.

Being a harder puncher doesn't mean you're a better fighter or even a more hurtful puncher.After all it's been said that Baer had greater one-punch power than Louis and Cleveland Williams was all round a more powerful puncher than Liston.

mcvey · Oct 6, 2008

Quickhands21 said:

The Heavyweights
1.Earnie Shavers
2.George Foreman
3.David Tua
4.Mike Tyson
5.Sonny Liston
6.Rocky Marciano
7.Joe Louis
8.Jack Dempsey
9.Lennox Lewis
10.Vitali Klitchko
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No room for Max Baer?

janitor · Oct 6, 2008

Carmelo Modica said:

Vitali is the most powerful boxer of all time, with a KO rate of 92%.

George Foreman is second, with 89% KO rate (not counting his comeback years).

Rocky Marciano is third, with 88% KO rate.

Joe Louis, Earnie Shavers have 85% KO rate in their primes (age 33-34).

Wladimir 83%.

Mike Tyson 82% in prime.

Jack Dempsey belongs on the list but his KO rate is incalculable because he had a huge number of 4-round fights that ended in (no) decisions.

My list would end there.

David Tua 79% - you could argue him being in there.

Liston 75% and Lennox 72 % - what are they doing on your list?
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Why do you asume that a fighters KO% directly reflects their power?

There are a number of other factors at work such as their finishing ability delivery and of course the quality of their opposition.

Vitally Klitschko, and Frank Bruno are examples of fighters who have maintained high KO percentages by fighting predominantly weak opposition.

Joe Louis having a KO% of 85 % against predominantly ranked oponents is far more impresive but of course it is not just down to his raw power.

Then there are guys like Bob Satterfield who were obviously bangers but have low KO percentages because they were constantly overmatched.

mcvey · Oct 6, 2008

janitor said:

Why do you asume that a fighters KO% directly reflects their power?

There are a number of other factors at work such as their finishing ability delivery and of course the quality of their opposition.

Vitally Klitschko, and Frank Bruno are examples of fighters who have maintained high KO percentages by fighting predominantly weak opposition.

Joe Louis having a KO% of 85 % against predominantly ranked oponents is far more impresive but of course it is not just down to his raw power.

Then there are guys like Bob Satterfield who were obviously bangers but have low KO percentages because they were constantly overmatched.
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Quite agree Mac Foster had a terrific ko % till he met world class men .Same with Lamar Clark.Louis kod 3 Heavyweight Champs before he even won the title.Sometimes its WHO you beat ,not how many.

Arka · Oct 6, 2008

janitor said:

Why do you asume that a fighters KO% directly reflects their power?

There are a number of other factors at work such as their finishing ability delivery and of course the quality of their opposition.

Vitally Klitschko, and Frank Bruno are examples of fighters who have maintained high KO percentages by fighting predominantly weak opposition.

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But this is not about KO power.It's about how hard they punch.

janitor · Oct 6, 2008

Carmelo Modica said:

Your argument is a double-edged sword. The hard-hitting Bob Satterfield had a low KO rate because he threw punches wildly, leaving himself open to be KO'd himself, as you can see in the Ezzard Charles fight. He didn't fight all the best available HWs, so your argument that he was overmatched really means he was unskilled and most good fighters didn't take him seriously. The few times when a great fighter actually stepped into the ring with this clown, he was KO'd by Jake LaMotta, Archie Moore, Rex Layne and Ezzard Charles.

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Bob Satterfield fought more than 30 fighters curently ranked in the top 10 by ring magazine. More than Joe Louis in fact. You simply dont get fighters fighting that level of cometition that regularly today or even close to it. Of course that sort of level of competition is going to detract from his knockout percentage and win loss ratio.

You say that he didnt fight all of the best around but he fought more of them than virtualy anybody on your list.

Can we give the "most powerful boxer" award to guys who just swing wildly and hope to hit their man? Of course not, that's why I count the fighter's number of KO's and number of fights. It's not just about power, but the ability to use it with some intelligence. Satterfield was a ridiculous boxer, he shouldn't even be seriously mentioned in this forum.

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The question at the top of the thread is "hardest puncher" which suggests raw power rather than effectivnes at putting your man away.

If the question was "best finisher2 then I would certainly rank the less polished punchers lower.

Vitali fought the best fighters available, including champs and ex-champs like Lennox, Sanders and Byrd.
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But he didnt.

He has a career total of four fights against ranked oponents two of which he lost. While you are lauding him for this you criticise the oposition of Bob Satterfield who fought almost literaly ten times as many ranked oponents over the course of his career.

I dont dubt that Vitally Klitschko is a hard puncher but in no way is he deserving of the acolade of best or hardest puncher ever.

The bottom line is that anybody on your list could have matched his KO percentage if they fought enough tomatoe cans.
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Quickhands21 · Oct 6, 2008

janitor said:

No but it shows you how eficiently he can finish his oponents off which is the ultimate measure of finishing ability. We can say in general terms that Langford was one of the best finishers of all time.

Sam Langford actualy came in at around 185 lbs during his heavyweight prime. In any event he fought most of his career at heavyweight so it is legitimate to compare him to other heavyweights.

Jack Dempsey fought a number of black oponents before he held the title.

He also signed a contract to defend his title against Harry Wills but the fight was not alowed by the state athletic comision for fear that it would cause riots.

I would take the calibre of fighter from that period over those of today in the blink of an eye.

Louis fought all the best contenders available to him so it is irelevant what colour they were. In all he fought over 30 fighters that were curently ranked in the top 10 by ring magazine. The only heavyweight from any era that comes close to matching this level of competition is Ali.

If the best fighters of an era are white it dosnt necesarily damage your record if you dont meet the leading black contender. Also even if you duck the top black fighter it dosnt detract from the fights that you do have.

Your stance has everything to do with being racist.

You hate Rocky Marciano because he is a white undefeated heavyweight champion.

That is what you cant stand.

Louis fought mainly white oponents because most of the ranked heavyweights of his era were white. I can put up the anual rankings and show you if you like.

Ther were called the bum of the month club because he beat them so effectivley. If you think they were actual bums you are just plain ignorant.

Louis fought more oponents ranked in the top 2 than any other heavyweight in history and more ranked in the top 10 than anybody outside of Ali by a ratio of 2/2

That is about as good a resume as you can get

If Lance Whitaker beat all Louis's oponents then he would obviously be great but he hasnt and couldnt.
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Nice breakdown,i didnt know Dempsey signed to fight Wills.I dont know much on Dempsey sadly..Sam could definately be placed in the top 10..
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heehoo · Oct 26, 2008

mcvey said:

Quite agree Mac Foster had a terrific ko % till he met world class men .Same with Lamar Clark.Louis kod 3 Heavyweight Champs before he even won the title.Sometimes its WHO you beat ,not how many.
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ALL of Mac Foster's wins are by KO. 30 wins, 30 KO's.

Boxing Fanatic · Oct 26, 2008

Tyson, ruddock, george, marciano, frazier, vitali, wlad, chavez, lewis, louis,
the list goes on................

fists of fury · Oct 27, 2008

I'm sorry, but Vitali does not belong. No way. His brother hits harder. Ruddock, Morrison and Bruno too, just to name a few bangers over the last few years.

mcvey · Oct 27, 2008

heehoo said:

ALL of Mac Foster's wins are by KO. 30 wins, 30 KO's.
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How many rated fighters are on that list?

The Phenom · Oct 27, 2008

Jesus Christ
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Julian Jackson
George Foreman
Moses
Thomas Hearns
Earnie Shavers
Sugar Ray Robinson
Satan

Jack Presscot · Oct 27, 2008

Quickhands21 said:

The Heavyweights
1.Earnie Shavers
2.George Foreman
3.David Tua
4.Mike Tyson
5.Sonny Liston
6.Rocky Marciano
7.Joe Louis
8.Jack Dempsey
9.Lennox Lewis
10.Vitali Klitchko
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Great list. Replace Marciano with Langford, and Vitali with Ruddock and you have a deal.

MrMagic · Oct 27, 2008

The Heavyweights:

Earnie Shavers
George Foreman
Rocky Marciano
Mike Tyson
Joe Louis
Max Baer
Lennox Lewis
Jack Dempsey
Sonny Liston
David Tua (Although I could easily remove him, he hit Rahman flush and didn't KO him.. tells us about his actual power:think)

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