My top 10 Heavyweights

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    1. Joe Louis
    2. Muhammad Ali
    3. John L. Sullivan
    4. James J. Jeffries
    5. Tom Cribb
    6. Lennox Lewis
    7. Max Schmeling
    8. Mike Tyson
    9. Tom Johnson
    10. Jem Mace


    This was very difficult. Period 1750-2007, excluding the pioneers like Broughton. Rated according to accomplishments in their own era.
     
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  2. hopkinsfan07

    hopkinsfan07 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    good list im glad you rate Liston and Lewis high most i fell underate them i have Marciano 11th and Dempsey 13th so are lists are very close only thing i am against is were you place Holmes but still great list
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Very good, brave list.

    I'm chasing these guys now, got that Bare Fists for starters. He references The Illiad in the new Intro, I love that fight.
     
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  4. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Queensberry only:

    1. Joe Louis
    2. Muhammad Ali
    3. James J. Jeffries
    4. Lennox Lewis
    5. Max Schmeling
    6. Mike Tyson
    7. Larry Holmes
    8. Rocky Marciano
    9. Jack Johnson
    10. Jack Dempsey
     
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  5. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sure he came up short against Naseem, but you still take him to beat Foreman!!!




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    Come on mate, play the game, we know you are darn good, but we are talking Queensberry Rules...
     
    TBooze, Jul 1, 2007
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes; our lists are pretty similair. Holmes' position is problematic - but shuffling 6-11 is tough for me, they move a lot. Holmes is on a down Tyson is on the up just now.

    If you want to see my Middlweight top ten it's in my Charley Burley and Bernard Hopkins thread a bit further down the page.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    Another good one - let's hear about Schmeling's high placement (I have him at 15).

    Jeffreis above Johnson?
     
    McGrain, Jul 1, 2007
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  8. McGrain

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    Personally I can't see the rock anywhere in that list but at the bottom. It's a nice one though. I'd always see Jeffries above some of these guys, too.
     
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  9. hopkinsfan07

    hopkinsfan07 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Schmeling in 5th what are your reasons for this i had him at 17th in my list of 20
     
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  10. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    This is the one I expected some problems with. :D

    Schmeling probably should have won the second Sharkey fight--he certainly was the more effective fighter--remained a pretty good champion during his reign, and holds the single greatest win in heavyweight history over anyone (prime or near prime Joe Louis). It outranks Joe Frazier's win over Ali by a slight margin. Great counterpuncher as well.

    He was, moreover, prevented from facing Braddock, which he had a right to, and probably would have won.

    (Come to think of it, Frazier should rank higher based on this criteria as well).
     
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  11. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    That's why I gave you two lists.

    I rate Hamed as #4 on my heavyweight list for defeating Johnson, by the way. It's just that he's invisible.
     
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  12. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think it is time In put this debate to rest:rofl

    My top 40

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    TBooze, Jul 1, 2007
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  13. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Good list. :good
     
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  14. McGrain

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    Interesting and ferocious logic.

    Problem is, every other guy on the list would hand Schmeling his head 9/10. Secondly, i feel you're overating the version of Louis that Schmeling beat. But if you're happy with near peak, I am too.

    I think the Ali Frazier beat was a better fighter. Louis is THE example of a fighter who was better as soon as he got that belt around his waste.

    Agree that Schmeling should've got his shot, and would have been favourite.
     
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  15. TBooze

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    Excuse my language but f*** you, we both know Naseem is pick'em against Ali.

    Sure some will say I said this because of the bubbles in my head, others will point out the three bottles of wine I have had this evening, but we know I have a point!:good
     
    TBooze, Jul 1, 2007
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