I know you to be a staunch Jack Roper fan so you will like what I am going to say. He was a decent fighter. Like many guys of the era he made his living by consistently fighting guys who were a bit better than him or a lot better. This was not condusive to a prety record. He did however beat some verry good fighters. If he was fighting today he would be fed a string of tomato cans and the numbers would look good.
1. Muhammad Ali 2. Joe Louis 3. Jack Dempsey 4. Larry Holmes 5. Rocky Marciano 6. Sonny Liston 7. Evander Holyfield 8. George Foreman 9. Joe Frazier 10. Jack Johnson
1. Joe Louis 2. Muhammad Ali 3. Jack Johnson 4. Larry Holmes 5. Rocky Marciano 6. Jim Jeffries 7. George Foreman 8. Mike Tyson 9. Lennox Lewis 10. Jack Dempsey 11. Joe Frazier 12. Evander Holyfield 13. Sonny Liston 14. Joe Walcott 15. Floyd Patterson
Welcome, and a 'unique' list, which is no bad thing; mine goes: 30: Tim Whitherspoon 29: Bob Fitzsimmons 28: Jack Sharkey 27: Sam McVey 26: Joe Jeanette 25: Vitali Klitschko 24: Peter Jackson 23: Ken Norton 22: Joe Walcott (Jersey) 21: Gene Tunney 20: Riddick Bowe 19: Floyd Patterson 18: Max Schmeling 17: Ezzard Charles 16: Sammy Langford 15: Harry Wills 14: James Corbett 13: Sonny Liston 12: Joe Frazier 11: Mike Tyson 10: Lennox Lewis 9 James Jeffries 8: Jack Dempsey 7: Rocky Marciano 6: Evander Holyfield 5: Larry Holmes 4: Jack Johnson 3: George Foreman 2: Joe Louis 1: Muhammad Ali
But is your list head to head? BTW, does your disdain for pre-60's fighters extend to other divisions, or is it just a heavyweight thing?
Is that for sure? How many does he have? I understand him feeling like he needs some back up, he does get swamped a lot. Probably as far as some of this patter goes he's not going to get it from somebody who isn't him.
This is an interesting list. What is it based on? First glance told me head to head but you have Tyson and Liston to low - but if it's achievment or resume why are the Klitschko's so high?
1)Joe Louis 2)Rocky Marciano 3)Ali 4)Dempsey 5)Frazier 6)Foreman 7)Tunney 8)Jeffries+Johnson 9)Walcott and Charles 10 Lewis,Tyson,Holmes,Holyfield 11)Schmeling,Baer,Liston