My top 10 Heavyweights

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Sweet Science, Jun 22, 2007.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    18 squeezed into 11 is impressive!

    I think the standout here is Rocky above Ali - how so?

    I'd also be interested to hear what leads you to place Tunney above Johnson on a heavyweight list?
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think they were definitely not nice people - not great men, perhaps is a better way to put it - in the way the other fighters you've mentioned may have been. But why hold Tyson's twilight losses and Liston's controversial defeats against them, but not Ali's twilight losses agains him? From a boxing point of view?
     
  3. McGrain

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    He's a fine poster. WOEFULLY inaccurate regarding his opinions of the Kllitshko's, granted, but he tosses up some good posts.
     
  4. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Indeed,

    His losses to Eddie Sims ( 22-21-4 ) , Eddie Wenstob ( 11-5-2 ), and Art Sykes ( 10-12 ) are clear indications, that your projections are right on target for how he'd do in a modern era. What's more, I'm going to expand upon that even further by saying that it was lucky for Ali, Frazier, and Foreman, that Jack Roper wasn't fighting during the 70's, or none of those guys would have gotten a sniff of the title...:good
     
  5. UpWithEvil

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    You kids need to meet by the bike racks after school. No teachers.

    Does Buster Douglas count as a "twilight loss" for Tyson? He was 30 when he faced Holyfield for the first time - twilight?
     
  6. Bummy Davis

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    I think Marciano had a great prime and got out while still in it, he was the best conditioned over 15 rds and had late power and what a lot of people see as awkwarkness was Marciano's way of breaking a fighters rythym, and also hit you everywhere. Ali was great against the slow giants but lost to Frazier in his prime, he also struggled with smaller men,Jones188,Cooper185lbs,Frazier204lbsSpinks. I used to rate Jeffries and Johnson higher but I think Dempsey was the first Modern champion and had well over 20-30 fights when he won the title, Tunney had a short prime as Heavy but he beat some good fighters on the way up and his victory over Dempsey twice was impressive and Dempsey still had lots of power(his KO over Sharkey) Tunney had fast hands and feet( close second to Ali(Patterson had fastest hands) Maturity is a good thing in the ring but a fighter's weaknesses become transparent the older he gets, Tunney, Marciano got out in there prime and I give them points for not coming back, Jeffries lost points for coming back even after 6 years off and losing 100lbs at the age of 36 it was a bad mistake, Johnson gets a lot of credit for beating Jeffries and Middleweight Ketchel after being floored and Dempsey gets critisized for not fighting Blacks but Johnson did not fight them either after becoming champ because they were not $$$$$ fights.
     
  7. mr. magoo

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    Excuse me for throwing in my two cents Flabby gut. I realize that this is none of my business, and in all honesty I should probably stay out of it, but I can't help but make a few things clear here. Although, Prime Frazier started this whole thing by opening his mouth and calling you a ****** or whatever, YOU'RE the one, who then suggested that you two guys meet, and throw down. Therefore, it was technically you who brought implied violence into the picture. What's more, your despute is between you and Prime Frazier alone, meaning that all the generalizations reguarding Americans being loud mouth, homophobic, profane, morons are not exactly appreciated by some of the rest of us here....

    The fact is, you both are pissed at one another right now, and the likelyhood that either of you will ever meet and trade fists is remote. That being said, why don't we just enjoy the forum for what it was meant to be, and not step on each others toes.....

    ........Peace........

    P.S. Frazier if you're reading this, it would show great character on your part to put this thing to rest and appologize to flabby gut. In all fairness, you really had no right calling him names, when he did nothing to provoke you.....

    -Magoo-
     
  8. JohnThomas1

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    Pretty decent post mate. Flabby wanted to meet and is now crying wolf.

    Anyways, either kiss and make up or meet and give us the youtube link!

    :D
     
  9. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    As always,

    I appreciate your humor mate. But, let's try not to instigate the situation. lately, we've had a lot of hot heads on the forum, and although I'll admit to being guilty at times myself, it's time to try and behave ourselves. ;)
     
  10. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Instigation, or humourisation?

    ;)
     
  11. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    How about Pinklonization, or a Witherspoonerism
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    LOL!
     
  13. McGrain

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    Never seen anyone put so much emphasis on conduct when composing their lists. Interesting.

    I see they ripped all Prime Frazier Did Beat Pr's posts of the thread. Lucky you and I were quoting them, for prosperities sake like. Did he get banned?
     
  14. McGrain

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    But your observation results in disdain, no?
     
  15. Ramon Rojo

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    1. Muhammad Ali

    2. Mike Tyson

    3. George Foreman

    4. Sonny Liston

    5. Lennox Lewis

    6. Larry Holmes

    7. Joe Frazier

    8. Ken Norton

    9. Joe Louis

    10. Ezzard Charles