My top 10 P4P Fighters

Stop pissin about.

You know fine well Im saying that Ali beat Liston & Foreman.... guys that were better than any fighter Louis ever beat.

 

Easy to look good against an average sized at best LHW who doesnt have anywhere near the power to hurt you.... but difference is, Louis DID NOT even look good. Ali looked phenomenal vs Williams.

It can work both ways so try giving me a fkn break.

Cheers !

 

No. I actually rank Schmeling higher than Liston. Louis was more dominant, has more defences. Longevity is about equal. Ali has a better resume - although not by as much as you think. I think there is an argument for ranking either above the other. I have them as equals at hw but Ali slightly higher p4p.

 

No comment :verysad

 

Yet Ali weighed roughly 215 & Louis 200 lbs.

You do know that p4p is about body mass, right ? :huh

Its in the title... POUND FOR POUND.

 

Heavyweights get a bad rap imo when it comes to p4p. P4P to me means that all fighters are assessed equally, regardless of weight. That's why it was coined, so that we can compare a lightweight to a flyweight on how good a fighter/boxer they are. Of course the lightweight has the advantage in reality if they were to go at it, but it's not the flyweight's fault he is smaller. So we analyze them pound for pound, an imaginary notion so as to be fair to all parties. So it is only fair that the heavyweight get the same treatment as the middleweight, just look at how good they are.

If we look at fighters like this (i mean p4p in a head to head sense, not a greatness sense), then Ali is as good as any.

 

Haha on the last part, you're a stubbern guy. It was probably Archie Moore vs Yvon Durelle the first time, that fight is one of the most dramatic and famous of all. Buchanan is a special ring general. If i could pick two boxers, not brawlers to go at it prime for prime, and just be in awe, it would be Whitaker vs Buchanan.

I don't think i'd ever write off a performance like Duran displayed against Buchanan because of a dodgy ending if it was Leonard or Jones jr though. The performance is just too good. You should try and appreciate Duran more though Pachilles. I know you are pissed off because everyone really likes him on the classic forum. Join us hahaha

 

Why? Schmeling has the better resume. Schmeling has better longevity on the Top. Nine years ranked in the Top5. Better single win. The only thing thing Liston has over Schmeling is dominance. Over largely inferior opposition. I rank neither in the Top10. To tell you the truth I barely rank Liston in my Top15. :good

And don't come with "he looks better on film". Of course he does. He has a more crowd pleasing style and the film technique has advanced.

 

And what are you trying to tell me? I wrote down in this thread by what criteria I go. One was subjectivity. I feel Ali would have more success against fighters in a bigger weight range than Louis. That's why I rank him higher p4p. At hw I don't use this criteria and so they are equal there.

 

Fair play :good

 

I think it's valid to have Schmeling over Liston. Schmeling's resume was probably better than Sonny's.

 

Muhammad Ali #9

Joe Louis #17

As of today :good

 

on the ali note, i worry that many of us, myself included penalized heavyweights for not being able to be dominant across divisions which may be part of the reason holyfield is rated highly than he might deserve. he was the best cruiser ever before he was an all time great heavy.

i rate ali the same as if he were a champion in any other weight class who stayed their and dominated. duran, hagler, greb, get points for their dominance of a single weight class. even though duran and greb moved up or beat bigger fighters much of their ranking is based on one weight class: light and middle respectively

other greats, like benny leonard and willie pep, didn't really move weights classes. ali i feel accomplished as much or more than most of them in his single weight class and should be ranked accordingly, even without the division hopping

 

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They fought bigger opponents though.