My top 10 P4P Fighters

It's my own fault for trying to make sense of a ninja analogy. Nevertheless, Duran did in fact betray an oath in quitting the fight, and it cost him in terms of legacy.

Jones has a monstrous amount of apologists out here on ESB. They've been quiet lately, but they're out there. Duran does too, no doubt about that, but you are suffering from a bit of myopia. Duran is not nearly as popular outside of ESB as he is inside of it. Ask any one of a million casual boxing fans and you'll hear two words when his name comes up -and you know that.

When I asserted to you that reasons are not excuses, that does not mean that excuses are not excuses. Duran did not train properly before fighting Hearns, and so got blown out. That's his own fault and the loss is legit. It's a reason, not an "excuse."

At a basic sense, sure. But explain why Ali lost to Spinks. Then explain why Jones lost to Tarver.

I've heard those assertions before and disagree with them all. I've been attacked myself, though I rank Duran at #5 all-time, p4p. Duranimal often does in fact make very good points though, and his passion for that fighter is nothing to apologize for. Duran is, according to many purists, the greatest living fighter. You can shake a fist for an eternity, but thus far you aren't raising any new arguments against him.

Where do you rank him...?

 

The no mas loss for me is just a loss, just like Arguello's to Pryor, and Liston to Ali, and Duran to Hearns, and Moore to Burley. A loss is a loss, a win is a win, what counts is who you have scalped ,ore so than anything else.

I've always been consistent with this, it's not a Duran bias thing.

 

that's true and ali didn't face bigger fighters (not really) but it just doesn't feel right to penalize him for that. would he be more highly regarded if he fought in the 80s and beat opponents that outweighed him by 30 pounds?

 

Its better to beat a great fighter than beat a bigger fighter IMPO.

Ali beat 3 genuinely great fighters (Frazier, Foreman, Liston) at or near their best, 2 of which were bigger also.

 

i have to agree. on a pure quality of opponent basis, ali ranks pretty damn highly. the natural bias of people to underrate heavies p4p contributes to: frazier was an amazing fighter but doesn't rate that high on many lists. ali's placement suffers because of his opposition's unfairly low standing based on weight class

simply put: how many legit top 10 opponents did ali beat in his time?

 

Yeah, but everyone else in my top ten beat more than 3 great fighters.

See what I mean, it IS arguable:good

 

good point:good for me it's also to number of very good fighters and top contenders he beat over a sustained period of time. he took on some scrubs sure, but he beat a number of quality opponents and top heavyweights.

now, that's not to say others didn't but ali's resume is at least comparable to the best, despite only dominating a single weight class

 

He did beat a lot of good fighters to, those 3 were the best tho.

 

Robinson
Armstrong
Duran
SRL
Pryor
Arguello
Sanchez
Chavez
Whitaker
Hagler

 

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You need to get clued up on some more fighters. Floyd above Duran in an ability OR resume sense is nigh on indefensible in my opinion mate.

 

Yes.

 

exactly my thought

 

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hopefully you'll come away realising that he was as gifted a boxer as there is at his peak....

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