My Top 100 of all-time

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by TBooze, Oct 9, 2007.


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  1. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sure he lost some along the way, as did Ortiz. But Ortiz didn't face the calibre of fighters Moore did. Had he faced an Ezzard Charles level fighter, no doubt he'd be 0-3 as well.
     
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  2. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Everyone ranks the old timers based on paper. IMO spinks would convincingly beat archie moore, however he gets ranked lower even though he was linear champ at two weight classes. Another thing, archie became champ after ezzard charles and billy conn left the division. If spinks would have fought more, lets say he beats a couple heavyweight beltholders and saad muhammad, spinks would have been top 10 IMO. He was so ****in talented but on paper he doesnt look as good.
     
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  3. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you so sure about that? He couldn't even convincingly beat a more plodding version of Archie Moore (D.M. Qawi).
     
    sweet_scientist, Oct 9, 2007
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  4. cardstars

    cardstars Gamboa is GOD Full Member

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    Good effort - my criticism (of course everybody has one) is that there is no way DeLahoya should be that high (unless you also factor in fan appreciation in there); especially 10 slots higher than my man Hagler! But a solid effort and I agree with a lot of it
     
    cardstars, Oct 9, 2007
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  5. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He won the fight for sure and qawi has a better chin than moore does. I really dont get why spinks didnt ight more contenders around the 79-84 era. Beating james scott, mike rossman and guys like wille edwards and saad would have helped cement his legacy as the best ever at 175
     
    brownpimp88, Oct 9, 2007
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  6. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    if he remained undefeated, yeah it would. IMO, beating the same guy 5x doesnt prove anything, did spinks have to fight marvin johnson 5 times?
     
    brownpimp88, Oct 9, 2007
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  7. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    not all of those wins were at light heavyweight, you have to understand this. If spinks were to have beaten saad, qawi and eddie, that would be 3 top 30 light heavyweights of all times, if he would have remained undefeated at that weight class and fought everyone in the era, it would make him superior. I think spinks beats ezzard anyways.
     
    brownpimp88, Oct 9, 2007
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  8. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    Muhammad Ali
    Joe Louis
    Michael Spinks
    Carlos Monzon
    Ray Robinson
    Henry Armstrong
    Willie Pep
    Eder Jofre
    Jimmy Wilde

    Sam Langford
     
    dmille, Oct 9, 2007
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  9. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    No, he can't.

    Hearns fought much better competition overall and has greater victories the same, is also much better H2H than DLH, who's pretty **** H2H wise.

    DLH lost to Quartey and Pea IMO, also lost to Sturm. Trinidad fight was very close by way of rounds and overblown as a 'robbery', when it could have easily been a draw, if only it was a 15 rounder.:yep :good

    Hoya is beyond overrated, he lost both times to Mosely, lost those fights on my card above and then even if you add Trinidad as a 'win essentially', he still always came up short, save for against Vargas and Chavez in his fights against elites.

    No way does he deserve any ranking near Thomas Hearns.
     
    Amsterdam, Oct 9, 2007
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  10. RoccoMarciano

    RoccoMarciano Blockbuster Full Member

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    I'd say he should go up to 4 or so... if this was an HW only list :lol:
     
    RoccoMarciano, Oct 9, 2007
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  11. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sure he beat Qawi, but it was close, and weaker chin or not, Moore would bring more to the table than Dwight did.

    Spinks just didn't have the depth during his time that Charles did to compile a better resume, even with the addition of the guys you included. Charles' record still trumps it. There was no Archie Moore level fighter for Spinks to fight. There wasn't even any Harold Johnson level fighters either.
     
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  12. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Here the lists I used to make top 100; it might help you understand how I came to some of my decisons:

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    TBooze, Oct 10, 2007
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  13. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    TBooze, Oct 10, 2007
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  14. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No doubt Hearns ranks higher than DLH, but you're being a little harsh on him. I mean, you can make a reasonable argument that he beat Whitaker, Quartey, Trinidad and Mosley. Being competitve with those guys in itself, along with a competitve fight with Mayweather past his prime is something which merits a fairly high ranking imo, no matter how you saw the outcomes of those fights.

    That said, I have him about 65th all time at the moment. 80th for him isn't rediculous, but then again, either is 50th.
     
    sweet_scientist, Oct 10, 2007
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  15. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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