My top 20 Cruiserweight of all time 1 VS 1

George Crowcroft · Apr 12, 2020

Hmm, I never did a 20, but I like my top 10.

1. Oleksandr Usyk
2. Evander Holyfield
3. Juan Carlos Gomez
4. Tomasz Adamek
5. Marco Huck
6. Steve Cunningham
7. Mairis Briedis
8. Denis Lebedev
9. Murat Gassiev
10. O'Neil Bell

HMs - Haye, Mormeck, Jirov, Nelson & Wlodclarczyk.

ideafix12 · Apr 12, 2020

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

Riddiculous list...

Toney place 4
Tomek place 5?
Haye top 3?
Gomez only place 7
Arlan place 16 all time
Nelson only place 19
Gasijew place 12
Lebedev place 10
Briedis place 14
Cunningham place 6 and Jones 8 are also a little bit too high.

Where are Anaclet Wamba, Alfred Cole, Orlin Norris, Miguel Angel Dominquez, Fabrizio Tiozzo, Nate Miller, Yoan Pablo Hernandez or ST Gordon?
The first 4 are easily top 10!

This is one of the worst rankings I have seen.
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It is based on 1 vs 1 no cv, how would your list be?

Charlietf · Apr 12, 2020

Usyk over holyfield is a joke. Overrated like hell this guy

AwardedSteak863 · Apr 13, 2020

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

I still can't rate Toney that high with one decent win, which was pretty close, against the fourth best world champion of that time (behind Nelson, Mormeck and Gomez, but ahead of Braithwaite).

Gomez have to be naturally at the top, as he never had a close fight in that weight-class, but dominated his opponents usually. He was like a Cruiserweight Roy Jones, with less movement but possible more power (the most gifted boxer in the division).

Arslan is actual worse than Maccarineli (he is a high-calibre journeyman). I would put rather Frenkel in the top 10, a very skillful boxer without big weaks.

Cole won against anyone he faced in Cruiserweight (in opposite to Haye).

Nelson was very dominant in his reign too, his skills also impressed me more than Haye, but especially his longwhity (he was 11 years undefeated). He had almost an Ring-IQ as high as Maske or Hopkins.

Though I like Maris Briedis too, since his days in the Bigger is Better and Kings Boxing tournaments on Eurosport. So from the abilities he could be listed here (not from the merits).

But Gassijew shouldn't be that high, especially not over Briedis.

Drodz showed he is a better boxer than Wlodarczyk and he was against Arslan just too inexperienced and young (won the first 4 rounds, but was reckless and over-paced, as he tried to stop Firat and wasn't effective to that high guard, but his opponent just waited till he got tired). Later was he a more complete boxer and more cautious (didn't go for not reasonable risks).

Well Guillermo Jones should be very high here; he would be the nightmare for Haye and would have destroyed him.

Wamba won all his fights there, despite a questional disqualification against Duran what he twice avenged (and draw with Washington).

Tiozzo only lost against one opponent in his professional career; Virgil Hill. He has the same number of title-defences as Usyk.

Norris was very skillful, had certain upper-body movement, slickness and quickness.

Miller was one of the hardest punchers in the division ever; he is more proven than Gassijew there.

I haven't mentioned Marvin Camel yet, the first WBC champion (and later IBF title-holder).

Hernandez has also very underrated one-punch power (watch how he knocked Ali Ismailov out in the first round, who received an unfair decision vs. Ramirez, just as Steve Herelius, who stopped Arslan for the WBA interims title); he hit harder than Huck (which did Frenkel too) and possible also thank Lebedev.

Rudolf Kraj was Olympic silver-medalist (in Light-Heavyweight) and did some title-defences of the WBC international title (like Gomez). He was talented too.

Aleksandr Aleksejew is also one of the most gifted boxers; he was amateur world champion. But he underachieved as professional, because he was sometime not careful enough, particular defensive (similar as Tschakijew, who was winning against Wlodarczyk comfortable and Afolabi). Thorsten May had also a pretty good general ringship, as Olympic and amateur world champion and professional European champion. He was just thrown too early to cold water and got hotted; as his world championship vs. Washington was just in his 15. professional fight. Then he had psychological issues (like Markus Beyer).

Troy Ross was actual winning against Cunnigham and arguable Hernandez.
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Good post. What do you think about Giacobbe Fragomeni? He beat Kraj for his title and gave Haye all he could handle. He was always in exciting fights. Would have loved to have seen him against Mormeck or Bell.

BundiniBlack · Apr 13, 2020

H2H not resume

1.Holyfield
2.Usyk
3.DeLeon
4.Qawi
5.Guillermo
6.Briedis
7.Nelson
8.Gomez
9.Adamek

After this I feel like the next 15 or so are very very close

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