My top 20 heavyweights of all time

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  1. The Long Count

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    Ok if you clear out the first career where Walcott was down and out it helps his legacy. If you want to give him the Louis fight that's fine. But it was avenged. I feel Louis declined considerably post WW2 all versions of him past the war look highly diminished to me to pre war Louis.
    He was crafty and he fought everyone too many losses for my opinion but I know he has his fans for sure.
     
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  2. McGrain

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    I mean 21/32 is a lot, but it's nothing like the rate we saw when Bradley met Pacquiao, for example. Something like 1/3 reporters did not give it to Walcott. The rate was something like 1-35 for Pacquiao-Bradley. That's consistent with what you tend to see in true robberies.

    In the highlights I have, I score more "rounds" to Louis than Walcott. I do not see a clinic, at all.

    Finally, Ring scored it for Louis, as did the NYT. Generally, these are the two publications I like best for cards. I may be off with the NYT though.

    I think it would have been clear on ten or five points must systems, but on the rounds system I think it was probably close. Devoid of the film of the fight, this opinion is probably as valid as any other, including "giving" it to Walcott based upon a ringside poll.

    The point is - you could have picked another three men who know boxing out of the crowd and got the same result. You could have done this seven or eight times. That's not true of the "true" robberies (Santa Cruz-Casamayor, Pacquiao-Bradley, Lewis-Holyfield I etc.).
     
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  3. Mendoza

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    DID YOU EVEN LIST THE NY TIMES LINK? You calling anyone a liar is a real hoot. Read and learn dolt.

    [url]http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9506E6D91E31E033A25751C1A9639C946197D6CF[/url]
     
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  4. The Mongoose

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    I never said "robbery" I said Walcott may have deserved the nod.



    Good point, tendancy to view these matches with a modern points system.
     
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  5. ForemanJab

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    Good list but I think you rank Liston to highly
     
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  6. SuzieQ49

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    The Abe Simon fight happened way before Walcotts prime in 1940. Walcotts best years didn't start until 1946
     
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  7. SuzieQ49

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    This is a post war version of Louis. Still looks lethal to me

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oilt5AVZ4bo[/url]
     
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  8. SuzieQ49

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    Mcgrain,

    I definitely scored the fight for Walcott in the rounds that Ive seen. Knocked him down twice, landed the harder punches, made him look foolish with his movement/footwork/slippery moves, outsmarted him, outjabbed him, louis looked lost out there. Louis had one good round(round 9).
     
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  9. Azzer85

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    He'd beat the living sh** out of Foreman
     
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  10. McGrain

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    Yeah, he may have, definitely. I think it's reasonable to "see" that fight for Walcott. But I also think it is reasonable to see it close.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    I scored 1,2 and 4 for Walcott and three, nine, fourteen and fifteen for Louis.

    It's ok to say that Louis had "one good round", that might be true, but that is not how these fights are scored. Win a round big - you won one round, win a round marginally, you won one round. And that's it and that's all.
     
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  12. ForemanJab

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    I don't think so.
     
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  13. Mendoza

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    This sums it up. On the shown footage, Walcott is the winner. On a 10 point must system ( Not used in this fight ) Walcott is the winner as two 10-8 rounds means Louis is not going to win.

    And if Joe Louis body language and the thunderous boo heard on audio are indications of the winner, it was Walcott.
     
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  14. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    So I looked at this link. After the 22nd round, it was even on rounds given by this paper 7-7. Some rounds were even. Count which rounds this paper gave yourself. Of course if you include the 23 round, Jeffries wins more rounds by this source. Keep stepping on rakes:D
     
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  15. janitor

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    For sure, but the short duration of the fight might have concealed some problems that were starting to take hold.

    He didn't get a lot of rounds in, between the end of the war and the Walcott fights.
     
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