My top 20 heavyweights of all time

That is pretty good 20 for mine. Would probably tweak the order a bit.

Wlad a bit high IMO. Head to head I think Foreman could beat some ahead of him including Wlad and perhaps Liston.

Cases of course could be made for numerous others including Bowe.

 

It is interesting that Tyson would not lose to Bowe or Moorer whom he did not fight, so this is a safe opinion.

He did fight Douglas and lost very badly to him, much worse than Holyfield lost to anyone until he was quite old.

And what happened when Douglas fought Holyfield?

*I guess we have a basic difference in how to evaluate fighters. I go by actual results as these are facts, not guesswork.

"Tyson was at least 5 years removed from his prime."

Well, if you want a high ranking in all-time heavyweights, you should have a longer prime. Tyson was four years younger than Holyfield.

 

This.

 

Amazingly, your top thirteen is the same as mine, just in a different order.

 

That's the second remark you've made about Dino recently. He's going to conclude that you're stalking him.


And just because he's paranoid, doesn't mean folks aren't out to get him.


As to your 'trolling' question, I can't really say.

If Dino was on everyones ignore list, would he continue to exist ?

And would it matter ?

 

Second remark? Who's counting? Who's stalking who?

Interestingly enough, he tends to be spot on regarding non Wlad topics.

 

Interesting.

Maybe he's a boxing guru, with a blind spot.

Or two. Or three.

He did have trouble with his Ton(e)ys, as you will recall.

And his Walcotts.




I almost only ever see him in Wlad threads, and there, he's like Rooster with SRL, or Presscott with Oscar.

I'll be on the lookout for whatever gems he tosses out on matters non-Wlad.

Of course, it's also possible you're trolling now...

Or enjoying your strong waters.

 

You have a much better memory concerning these matters than I. He's had his weak points (the Walcott incident being unforgivable) but it's the Waldo infatuation that is comically misguided.

Put in an hour and a half on heavy bag and jumping rope today. I deserve a couple glasses of vino.

 

Now Edward, by that line of reasoning you would pick Cotto over Pavlik and Chavez jnr.

Unless you realized that the version of Sergio that Cotto beat was faaaaar from the version that faced Pav and JCC jnr.


The Buster who faced Mike was highly motivated, in tip top shape, and fought the best fight of his life.

By the time Buster faced Evander, he was fat and out of shape.

Hardly a good measuring stick.

 

Enjoy.:good

 

I said congrats as your opinion has evolved. You used to say Vitali wasn't even top 50.

 

Probably because Tyson at his best, was much better than Holyfield at his best. But we can spend hours debating that

Well Tyson did spark Holmes, something Holyfield couldnt do, he also Kod Stewart in one round, a guy who gave Holyfield a good fight. We can argue whether Tyson would have beat Bowe or not, but i do know Moorer wouldnt see past 3 rounds against Tyson, any version of Moorer.

In the five years of Tysons absence, Holyfield had fought Cooper, Holmes, Bowe, Mercer, Moorer, thats top notch opposition, possibly the best of the decade, compared to Tyson fighting a total of 8 rounds in five years.

Ah, but thats exactly what Holyfield did, he lost to Riddick Bowe, who in essence, was just another Buster Douglas (but better managed), although he held it together a bit longer than Douglas. Both had a similar style, both were fat and lazy, but Bowe had much more desire and Douglas never wanted to be a boxer in the first place.

 

30 arguable Greats by Era?

Fitzsimmons
Corbett
Jeffries

Johnson
Langford

Dempsey
Willis
Tunney

Sharkey
Schemling
Baer

Louis
Bivins

Walcott
Charles
Marciano

Patterson
Ingo
Liston


Ali
Frazier
Foreman
Norton

Holmes

Tyson
Holyfield
Bowe
Lewis

Vitali
Wlad