My top 20 heavyweights of all time

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  1. brb

    brb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dino - Why don't you grace us with your Top 20?
     
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  2. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Joe had something Wlad will never have. An ATG win and his zero intact.

    He also never resorted to cheating to win.
     
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  3. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Wlad had a rematch clause on Sanders. He never exercised it.

    Peter wasn't a tough fight for Chambers and he nearly lost to James Toney
     
    dinovelvet, Jun 15, 2014
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  4. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Wlad had to hug the **** out of Peters both times. Vitali and Helenius boxed him off cleanly and much easier than Wlad could.
     
    dinovelvet, Jun 15, 2014
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    In the end though, Povetkin, Thompson, Mormeck, Haye, Peter, Chambers, Chagaev, Rahman, Ibragimov, Brewster and Byrd doesn't look bad does it? Plus a bunch of ****-heels. I mean, some of these wins are compromised a bit by x or y, sure, but if you compare it to Terrell, say, it's better, isn't it? And if you allow that, not to your satisfaction, but under the rules of boxing as they work in the real world, he's gone unbeaten for a great number of years and fights, that enhances his standing, doesn't it? I mean that's all fair to say, isn't it?
     
    McGrain, Jun 15, 2014
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  6. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Not worthy enough to be labeled top 10 greatest HW to ever live.
    Two best guys there are Haye and Povetkin.

    Haye was a career cruiser and still is not an established HW. He wasn't confidant enough to fight Tyson Fury.
    He had to bend the rules every minute of every round to beat Povetkin.
    Valeuv would of went unbeaten if he fought like that.
     
    dinovelvet, Jun 15, 2014
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I hear you on that, I do, I think top 10 is a bit of a stretch myself because i have a problem with he and Vitali cutting about at the same time but obviously unable to fight. I don't excuse that.

    But you worry me that you won't be able to accept this truth should it come, which it might.
     
    McGrain, Jun 15, 2014
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  8. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Wlad will always polarise opinion regarding a top 10 placing. I can see a day, maybe already, when more than not have him in that esteemed list. Personally I don't see it, but I can see that day arriving.
     
    fists of fury, Jun 15, 2014
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  9. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    He was a great of his era. I'll give him that.
     
    dinovelvet, Jun 15, 2014
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  10. janitor

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    Why did you not see things so simply, when you were not confronted with the reality, of Calzaghe getting into the Hall?

    You really think that the Hall will turn Wald away?
     
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  11. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    He'll get in on technicality i suppose.
     
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  12. brb

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    Key words being "before Wlad".
     
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  13. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    A mind is a terrible thing to waste… that is, if there is a mind to begin with.
     
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  14. Bummy Davis

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    1. Joseph Louis
    2. Muhammad Ali
    3. Rocky Marciano
    4. Lennox Lewis
    5. Jack Dempsey
    6. George Foreman
    7. Mike Tyson
    8.Joe Frazier
    8. Evander Holyfield
    9.Jersey Joe Walcott
    10. Larry Holmes
    11.Jim Jeffries
    12. Jack Johnson
    13. Ezzard Charles
    14. Sonny Liston
    15. Max Baer
    16. Max Schmeling
    17. Floyd Patterson
    18. Riddick Bowe
    19. Sam Langford
    20. Gene Tunney

    I do not rate until retired but if Vitali is retired I would put him in the middle somewhere, I think that he had 2 loses while not yet in his prime and an injury took 4 years from him but he still has some excellent wins and longevity. If we look at George Foreman his early career had some big wins and bad losses and he had more savvy in his comeback but still its a compilation of the 2 careers that gives him status
     
    Bummy Davis, Jun 15, 2014
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  15. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "And those voting were born around the same time Louis was."

    This is confusing. If they were born at the same time Louis was, they hadn't seen the older champions except perhaps on film. They wouldn't have reached adulthood until the 1930's or so. So why should we value their opinion above all others?

    "Ali"

    I mentioned that this was mid-career and so dismissed making an issue of Ali's rating.

    "You have to give it some weight."

    I would, but if anyone in the 1950's or 1970's is actually in a position to remember fighters like Jeffries and Fitz, they had to be very old men relying on very old memories. I think memories are fallible, and probably the more years that have gone by the more fallible the memory.

    Bottom line for me--I don't find this list persuasive for the reasons I gave.
     
    edward morbius, Jun 15, 2014
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