PBF isn't 34.....he isn't past his prime. You can't say what PBF will be hit with. At the same age as PBF, Jones had hardly lost a round, much less a fight. PBF has 2 close decisions on his resume at this point. PBF has less title defenses, fought less champions, less top 10 contenders (I believe, need to check on this particular fact). He has beaten one ATG to Jones 3 ATG. Jones unfied a division, PBF has never unified a division. As a matter of fact, Jones has as many title defenses at LHW as PBF has on all 5 weight classes he has been in. As for skills....PBF has more technical ability but no where near the athletic ability. Jones was more dominant and rated higher for a longer period of time. As a matter of fact, the ONLY thing PBF has over Jones besides technical skills which Jones made up for with his athletic ability is more titles in more weight classes. And Jones skipped a weight class.... If you want to count Jones past his prime losses against him, thats fine by me. As long as you do the same for others. Jones is at the end of his career, PBF isn't. PBF could easily be stopped in his mid 30's. PBF's pay per view buys are high off of OTHERS. Jones never fought a DLH or a Gatti. As for who they fought for their titles? Jones fought Hopkins, Toney, McCallum, Tarver, Griffin, and Ruiz to gain titles. PBF fought Hernandez, Castillo, Gatti, Baldomir, and DLH. They are very comparable and IMO, slightly in favor of Jones. Nothing I say here besides the argument on skill level is subjective. The argument can be made....unless you add in subjective things like who you think is a bum regardless of his ranking or title status. I could do the same and ruin PBF's resume.
If you don't believe Jones is a legend, but PBF is, why don't you guys start a poll and see who wins. I already know the answer since it has been done before...2 times. And if you don't rate Jones in the top 100 fighters ever, then we have no need for a discussion because we are miles apart.
Actually most boxing historians agree with me. Bert Sugar is the only man I know who disagrees thats a "historian". Go get the lists you are referring to, and bring them back as proof. The police officer was a garbage fight admittedly. The Sanitation worker became lineal champion and just fought for the LHW title AGAIN. Don't exaggerate. There are very few of those public servants on Jones resume and you seem to be repeating what you have heard. 19 of the 28 men Jones fought after he fought Hopkins were Top 10 ranked or champions. You can give your opinion of the fighters he fought, but it won't change what I posted. Anyone can post that a fighter despite his ranking is a bum or whatever. I can say the same about many of PBF's fights.
Is NO.8 the MW or the HW? I like the names but it's a confusing list. I love B-Hop but what possible criteria is there for having him above Harry Greb? How you can have LaMotta above Greb is entirely beyond me... Kid Chocolate is to high, and the fact that Langford isn't on the list sort of undermines the effort in my opinion. He is top 2 for me, top 5 for many, top 20 inarguably.
1. Sugar Ray Robinson 2. Henry Armstrong 3. Harry Greb 4. Willie Pep 5. Roberto Duran 6. Muhammad Ali 7. Ezzard Charles 8. Archie Moore 9. Benny Leonard 10. Joe Gans 11. Ray Leonard 12. Sam Langford 13. Jimmy Wilde 14. Sandy Saddler 15. Eder Jofre 16. Bob Fitzsimmons 17. Stanley Ketchel 18. Pernell Whitaker 19. Carlos Monzon 20. Marvin Hagler JUST missing out: Joe Louis, Salvador Sanchez, Wilfredo Gomez, Alexis Arguello.
This is HIS top 20. It's personal choice. If that's how he feels, his choices are not wrong. A personal list could include anyone: Here's a "top 20", but its not mine: 1. James "Buster" Douglas 2. Leon Spinks 3. Audley Harrison 4. Peter Manfredo 5. Cornelius "K9" Bundrage 6. Trevor Berbick 7. Reggie Strickland 8. Eric Crumble 9. Ron Cranmer 10. Ronald Hearns 11. Marvis Frazier 12. Henry Cooper 13. Vinny Paz 14. John Ruiz 15. Shannon Briggs 16. Steve Zouski 17. Jameel McCline 18. Jeremy Bates 19. Butterbean 20. Lou Savarese Anyone can have a favorite top 20. This one isn't mine, but a personal top 20 is a personal top 20.
In no order, this would be the members of my Top20: Robinson Armstrong Moore Charles Ali Louis Leonard Hagler Whitaker Chavez Jones Langford Pep Greb Gans Leonard Griffith Walker Duran Tunney
Chimba your too much. I think your list goes something like this.. 20. Pancho Villa* *See Manny Pacquiao