My top 20 Welterweights, all time

Touché

 

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Call me the new Robert Burns.

 

Your a good lad mate, you took that well. Im a wind up merchant a times. You never took the bait.

 

Burley should be in there, but I think #2 is going overboard.

'Fraid I strongly disagree with Langford there, as he barely did anything at welterweight and was much too big to fight there by the time he was physically mature. And even if he could have(again, I absolutely don't think a peak Langford was making welterweight by any means), I absolutely disagree with giving someone a high placing among the greats of all time based on what you think they "could have done"- to take a page from the great Cross_Trainer, if I think Shaquille O'Neill could've become a professional boxer and won the world heavyweight championship, should I rank him in my top 10 of all time?

 

That's because they are stooooooooopid.

 

What has Gans done at WW for a win over him at that weight to be significant for Langford's WW placement? What does a win over washed up Walcott mean for his placement? Langford hasn't come even close at WW to compete with Jones' lhw career.

 

The top 6 should be ;Robinson , Armstrong , Leonard , Napoles , Gavilan , Trinidad . These fighters were the best of there eras , they dominated their eras. Gavilan never , but he still should be mentioned with the others , because the only reason he never is because of Robinson. He was the best of the post-Robinson 147 1b era. Put these fighters in the order you want (but the first 3 should remain the same , I believe) , but great fighters such as Basilio , Walker an Ross should come after these .

P.S. De La Hoya vs. Gavilan would be a war like De La Hoya - Mosley I , Gavilan didn't have the power of Mosley , but what a fighter.

 

Interesting, go on...

Yep, he's a must.

Yea, all those defences.

Agreed, reluctantly.

Definitely, perhaps the greatest welterweight champion.

An outstanding fighter, he's in my top six as well.

 

Trinidad was a really good welterweight, and I personally think that he's underrated on this forum, but there's no way that he can be rated above the likes of Hearns, Basilio, et al. Top 12 isn't out of the question, and a case for the #10 slot can be made if you really want to stretch it. Any higher is out of the question.

 

Not to mention Emile Griffith. That's my main gripe by far.

 

Jeez, I'm so used to seeing him in the Top 6 that I naturally assume that he's been included. Same case, here.

 

It's just opinion and criteria, Felix Trinidad was the best of his era, Emile Griffith was one of the greatest of all-time at 147 , a really great fighter at that weight. I still have him behind Trinidad though. Trinidad's style was just great, he had his weaknesses , but watching him was sometimes like watching Joe Louis , just a matter of time before pin-point accurate sledge-hammer shots would take his opponent out. And his chin was not that bad. He was never really hurt at welter. Everytime he went down he was nowere near being stopped. After my top 6 , Griffith , Walker , Basilio , Cuevas and the others are the all-time greats I have