My top 20 Welterweights, all time

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  1. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Good point, but Burley's career is full of 'ifs and buts'. He deserves his high rating based on CV but we don't know whether he'd have been a dominant champ.
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This is true - but you have to go with what you believe, right? You gather what info you can and then you do your best with what you have. My position is that Burley is one of the best ever, I think it's defendable, although you have to relly heavily upon testimony of others. As you say, you must be carefully of any rose coloured spectacles, it's a difficult business.


    EDIT: Put it this way, there are two things on my list people are interested in - Napoles spot and Burley's spot. I'm going to address the Napoles thing, but i'm perfectly happy with Burley's position.
     
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  3. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ted Lewis
     
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  4. Manassa

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    I thought it was Jerry Lee Lewis.
     
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  5. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jose Napoles and Gavilan deserve to be higher Langford doesn't deserve to be there, good to see Holman Williams getting a mention.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I wonder though, are there many guys on that list you pick to beat Langford? Under perfect conditions? It's impossible to beat Williams to beat him, for example.
     
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  7. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1. Robinson
    2. Armstrong
    3. Leonard
    4. Napoles
    5. Gavilan
    6. Griffith
    7. Walcott
    8. Basilio
    9. Hearns
    10. Ross
    11. McLarnin
    12. Trinidad
    13. Whitaker
    14. Curry
    15. Lewis
    16. Benitez
    17. Duran
    18. Ryan
    19. Burley
    20. Zivic
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Your list may be better than mine.

    Especially if you swaped Burley and Kid.
     
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  9. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeh I agree not many would be able to beat Langford even at that weight and he did beat Gans and Walcott at 147lbs but that doesn't justify a place so high when you consider how long people like Napoles dominated the welterweight division. Its like Roy Jones at 160lbs
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    wise he should never be top ten yet he would probably beat a far amount of them.
     
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  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Jones has actually been sneaking into my MW top 20 for exactly the reasons you state, the little sneak. Walcott and Gans man. That makes for a better resume than a lot of these other boys.
     
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  11. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Kid Lewis, or Gavilan?

    I'd be willing to negotiate on the former, but the latter stays in the top 10.:bart

    So there.















    :D :good
     
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  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I meant Gavilin.

    But just as you say bud.
     
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  13. JohnThomas1

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    Now there's a list! Can i negotiate Hearns up one or two spots tho

    :D
     
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  14. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Guys.....Where is Luis Rodriguez?
     
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  15. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    Call me a nuthugger, but looking at a few of the people on that list, why the hell isnt Mosley on there, at least from a head to head standpoint...
     
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