My Top 25 Fighters of the Last 25 Years- what do you think?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Aug 20, 2008.


  1. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    OK, before the criticism starts dudes, it is a very difficult thing to try and write a list like this. I have probably forgotten someone obvious as I've wrote this in about 5 minutes, and yeah if I did it again tomorrow, I may put people down in a slightly different order I don't know, this hasn't been slaved over and isn't set in stone, but here it is:

    Top 25 Fighters 1983-2008

    rated on a combination of NATURAL ABILITY, NAMES ON THE RESUME, ACHIEVEMENTS SUCH AS TITLES WON, and ASSESSMENT OF PEAK PERFORMANCES.

    1.Pernell Whitaker

    2.Roy Jones Jr

    3.Julio Cesar Chavez

    4.Evander Holyfield

    5.Floyd Mayweather Jr

    6.Lennox Lewis

    7.Bernard Hopkins

    8.Mike Tyson

    9.Thomas Hearns
    (yes, his 147 peak and fights with SRL and Benitez were before 1983, but his career went on successfully long after 1983, in a way that Leonard and Hagler and Duran's didn't, those three were on the way back down after '83, the best periods of their careers were undoubtedly before '83- except maybe Hagler's, but he didn't fight on long enough after 1983 to be considered for this time period IMO. Hearns on the other hand went on from 1983 to beat Duran, fight Hagler, beat younger naturally bigger guys like DeWitt and the previously undefeated Virgil Hill, get the better of SRL in their 2nd fight, and between 1983 and his retirement, he held the WBC light-middleweight title, WBC middleweight, WBO super-middleweight, and the WBC and WBA light-heavyweight titles, before finishing up as a cruiserweight. If the time period was the best fighters from the last 30 years, then obviously Hearns would be higher than 9th place, but I think his post-1983 career justifies his placing here.)

    10.Mike McCallum

    11.Oscar De La Hoya

    12.Manny Pacquiao

    13.Marco Antonio Barrera

    14.Erik Morales

    15.James Toney

    16.Hector Camacho

    17.Felix Trinidad

    18.Joe Calzaghe

    19.Ricardo Lopez

    20.Azumah Nelson

    21.Shane Mosley

    22.Winky Wright

    23.Kostya Tszyu

    24.Juan Manuel Marquez

    25.Johnny Tapia



    I could probably write another list of guys I could've had in there that maybe should have been (Curry, Norris, Fenech, Bowe, Rosario, Taylor, Ramirez, etc etc), but this is the list I've came up with and I'm quite happy with it for now. I got serious about boxing in the early 1990s, so I may be a little biased towards 90s fighters, I don't know, it just seems there are more of them here, but this is my honest evaluation on the criteria set out before the list.

    Thoughts/opinions??


    ps: I didn't include Khaosai Galaxy as I have never actually seen him fight.
     
  2. LennoxGOAT

    LennoxGOAT Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lennox should be over Holyfield. There is no argument that can be made for that move.
     
  3. DINAMITA

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    Lewis was a better heavyweight than Holyfield, but Holyfield was brilliant at cruiserweight, so I give Holyfield the edge p4p as he had more strings to his bow sort of thing. It's close though, I wouldn't argue with you over it, I am a massive Lewis fan. What do you think of the rest of the list?
     
  4. LennoxGOAT

    LennoxGOAT Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I can understand that point, but at the time, the crusierweight division was the suck and Holyfield, though he cleaned it out, didn't stay long or have a bigtime threat in the division.

    I think PBF is a little high, Toney is way too high, but regardless..it is all opinion and your list is solid and well thought out.
     
  5. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Galaxy has no case for a placing anyway, so don't worry about that.

    I can't do a top 25 off the top of the dome, but I agree with most of your top choices, maybe a few order changes, nothing serious.
     
  6. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    On a whim, I'd put Floyd over Holyfield - but that my be just because I'm not a huge Holyfield fan, and despite the constant abuse Mayweather gets on here I think Floyd is pretty talented. I'd demote Hopkins a few places as well.
     
  7. DINAMITA

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    I'm guessing Hopkins would be one, ha ha?? Seriously, cheers Pea, from you that means a lot. Although we disagree on some stuff (Hopkins, Toney, etc), I learn a lot from your posts :good
     
  8. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    It's a good list, but I don't see why Camacho is above pretty much everyone that he is above. I'd put Trinidad, Calzaghe, Lopez, Nelson, and Mosley all above him.

    I also have Hopkins above Lewis, PBF, and Holyfield.

    To a slighter degree, I think Chavez should be above Jones, but I won't really argue with that too much.

    It's all just my opinion though, and the list is good.
     
  9. DINAMITA

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    I feel as if my top 9 are definitely the top 9 of the last 25, a solid undebatable top 9 that are clearly better than the rest. After 9, it becomes very debatable I think, so many good fighters that it's difficult to choose between. I wouldn't dispute any order changes within the top 9 or after, but I definitely wouldn't change any of the 9 guys I have as the top 9.
     
  10. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    :good All good man.

    I'd have Hopkins right around where you put him actually. I don't think lowly of him at all, as heated as I get in certain debates, I just think resume-wise he's a tad overrated, especially when people feel the need to put down someone who fought better opposition like Roy.
     
  11. DINAMITA

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    Camacho is a very difficult guy to place. I wouldn't argue with your assessment of him, I just think between '83 and '92 he was pretty special.
     
  12. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    MCallum & Hopkins too high (specially hopkins!!!).

    Guys like MAB, Morales, ODLH, Pac displays far better resumes than Bernard Hopkins.

    Go on, I dar eya to disagree!!!! :)
     
  13. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    There's no doubt that at his best he was special, when he was on he was technically brilliant.

    I just don't think his career stacks up to put him above the fighters I named, although it's not like any of them are leagues above him.

    I thought he got a gift against Rosario, and whatever that fight did to him, losing to Greg Haugen and struggling badly with a 45 year old Duran are horrible marks on his legacy.

    He definitely should make it on the list, I just personally wouldn't put him quite as high as you do.
     
  14. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    McCallum displays a better resume than any of those guys outside of Oscar, though Oscar was pretty inconsistent against top competition.

    McCallum's resume: Toney, Jackson, Curry, Kalambay, Watson, Graham, Kalule, McRory, Braxton, etc.

    Easily better than anyone you listed aside from the inconsistent De La Hoya.

    I dared to disagree, now prove me wrong.
     
  15. LiamE

    LiamE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thats being nice to his resume now isnt it? Being critical he lost to Kalambay, he didnt beat Toney in their 3 fights, had Graham not thrown him and had a point deducted he wouldnt have won that fight, Curry was never the same after the Honeyghan fight, Watson was inexperienced, Jackson, though a great puncher was never that good etc