My Top 3 All Time Pound for Pound

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  1. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sam Langford


    Best Wins

    Joe Gans
    Joe Jeannette
    Fireman Jim Flynn
    Stanley Ketchel
    Sam McVea
    Philadelphia Jack O’ Brien
    Gunboat Smith
    Harry Wills
    Jeff Clark
    Kid Norfolk
    George Godfrey
    Tiger Flowers

    He fought at an extremely high level all the way from 140 to 200 and consistently fought the best available opposition. He had incredible longevity and beat dangerous opponents in his later career despite being past his best and partially blind. He’s a head to head monster all the way from welter to heavyweight. He was incredibly prolific, and often fought in less than perfect conditions, to say the least, yet still has an incredible win to loss ratio against such great opposition. Often overcame a considerable size disadvantage. He holds wins over all time greats from Lightweight to heavyweight.


    Harry Greb


    Best Wins

    Jack Dillon
    Battling Levinsky
    Gunboat Smith
    Billy Miske
    Bill Brennan
    Tommy Gibbons
    Jack Renault
    Kid Norfolk
    Charley Weinert
    Gene Tunney
    Tommy Loughran
    Tiger Flowers
    Mickey Walker
    Maxie Rosenbloom

    He was perhaps the most dominant middleweight champion in history. He was only stopped twice out of almost 300 fights, once very early in his career and once because of an arm injury (I think). He beat the best fighters of the period at middleweight and light heavyweight, plus excellent fighters at heavyweight (Bill Brennan, Gunboat Smith, ect., ect.), all while only weighing in around the 160-170 pound range.



    Ray Robinson


    Best Wins

    Fritzie Zivic
    Jake LaMotta
    Henry Armstrong
    Kid Gavilan
    Bobo Olson
    Randy Turpin
    Rocky Graziano
    Gene Fullmer
    Carmen Basilio
    Joey Archer

    He was undefeated at his prime weight. He only lost one fight in his prime, to Jake LaMotta (and was giving up 15 pounds). He had one of the most impressive winning streaks in history. He was never legitimately stopped in 200 bouts. He competed with, and often got the better of, all time great opposition when he was past his prime and above his prime weight. He won the middleweight title 5 times. He was perhaps the most complete fighter of all time, and looks incredibly impressive on film.
     
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  2. pugilistspecialist

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    Henry Armstrong: 3 division champion(126-147) beat everyone that mattered in his era. Drew with Middleweight champion at the time. Most defenses ever at 147 with 20, and did so being a small welterweight.

    Sugar Ray Robinson:Most dominant welterweight ever, 5 time middleweight champion and went first 120 fights with just 1 loss.

    Harry Greb only 8 losses and fought over 300 fights, competed with the best from middle-heavy without a huge punch, very noteworthy.
     
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  3. Manassa

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    1. Henry Armstrong
    2. Harry Greb
    3. Ray Robinson
     
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  4. SuzieQ49

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    1. Willie Pep
    2. Sugar Ray Robinson
    3. Henry Armstrong
     
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  5. Sweet Pea

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    1. Ray Robinson
    2. Harry Greb
    3. Henry Armstrong
     
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    1 Ray Robinson
    2 Henry Armstrong
    3 Sam Langford
     
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    1. Ray Robinson
    2. Muhammad Ali (im not a fan, i have come to grips with this over time, my opinion)
    3. Roberto Duran (i am a fan! But this isnt bias, i think he's very close to this spot if not in it)
     
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  8. Bokaj

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    You sold me.
     
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  9. round15

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    1. Ray Robinson. To this very day, no fighter in any weight class has come close to having his combination of speed, power and endurance. Pound for pound he's definitely one of the best ever, if not THE best ever.

    2. Henry Armstrong. Before, Ray Leonard, Hearns, and DelaHoya, nobody can or should argue here with a fighter that defended more titles in different weight classes, often holding more than one title at a time.

    3. Sam Langford. This fighter is well before my time, but looking at him historically reveals that he was an all time pound for great fighter. He fought much bigger men and faced some of the biggest punchers of his day. It's too bad that he was never given a legit shot at the heavyweight crown.

    Honourable mentions,

    Ali, Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones Jr.
     
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  10. mcvey

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    Whilst I agree with Greb and Robinson,I would put Armstrong above Langford.One small niggle Giardello beat Robinson by dec.
     
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  11. Bokaj

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    I love Ali, but there's a good argument to give heavyweights a shorter shrift in a p4p sense, and even if there wasn't I'm not sure that Ali has a record that compare with these guys.

    When it comes to Duran the manner of his losses to Leonard and Hearns (a disgraceful quit job, and a one-sided destruction) excludes him from this very lofty company IMO. Not so much the defeat to Hearns as the defeat to Leonard, though. But otherwise his record is really something.
     
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  12. BlackWater

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    - Ray Robinson
    - Henry Armstrong
    - Sam Langford
     
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  13. McGrain

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    Max, your top three is excellent, I have no problem with it, or the order. Mine:

    1 - Sam Langford
    2 - Sugar Ray Robinson
    3 - Henry Armstrong
     
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  14. McGrain

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    Yeah, yeah, that's fine.

    Change your ****ing avatar.
     
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  15. Manassa

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    What's wrong with it?
     
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