Ali Robinson Pep Monzon Hagler Arguello Ortiz Griffith Gavilan Napoles Jofre All of these fighters you consider primitive?
Noty all of them are primative. Certainly not in the top 10 ever though, which is the topic of this thread.
2 careers, best Heavyweight fighter of both careers. 1st career had a greater gap between himself and the competition than Robinson IMO. Recreated himself for his second career. Beat 2 "unbbeatables", Liston and Foreman. The Foreman upset was one of the greatest chapters in boxing history; 1) Considering what he had done to Frazier & Norton, 2) Considering the adversity Ali went through to even get to Foreman. H2H I favor no fighter, from any era or weight class, to beat Ali. I think SRR would have a tough time with the likes of Hearns and Leonard, Haglar, Monzon, RJJ, Graeb etc.
So basically, 12 round pansies with less than 60 to 50 fights under their belts are automatically superior to veterans of 15 rounders (or longer bouts) who have had a hundred, two hundred, three hundred or more battles worth of experience, while wearing gloves smaller than 12 ounce pillows, and sometimes not even a mouthguard. I know a provocateur when I see one, ChJ. Back to the General Forum litterbox with ye, wee laddie!
Robinson was an exceptional physicsl specimin and very skilled offensively by any eras standards. He is incredibly flawed though compared to the likes of Tszyu.
You make a good case. Of course, you're preaching to the choir here. For me, SRR:s record is near unbeatable, though. In a h2h/p4p sense I have a very hard time ro rank anyone ahead of Ali, but that's so higly speculative that I prefer going by record. No one beat more 'unbeatbles' though. Good point.