My Top 50 All Time Heavyweights

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  1. Muchmoore

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    Here it is. 1-4 are a step above the rest imo, and 5-12 can be arranged in any order. I had Johnson my 11 as high as 5 in the past, same goes for the others.

    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Rocky Marciano
    4. Mike Tyson
    5. Lennox Lewis
    6. Larry Holmes
    7. Sonny Liston
    8. George Foreman
    9. Joe Frazier
    10. Harry Wills
    11. Jack Johnson
    12. Jack Dempsey
    13. Evander Holyfield
    14. Jim Jeffries
    15. Joe Walcott
    16. Max Schmeling
    17. Ezzard Charles
    18. Floyd Patterson
    19. Riddick Bowe
    20. Ken Norton
    21. Sam Langford
    22. John L Sullivan
    23. Ingo Johansson
    24. Joe Jeanette
    25. Gene Tunney
    26. Peter Jackson
    27. Wladimir Klitschko
    28. James Corbett
    29. Sam Mcvea
    30. Archie Moore
    31. Elmer Ray
    32. Bob Fitzsimmons
    33. Max Baer
    34. Tim Witherspoon
    35. Harold Johnson
    36. Eddie Machen
    37. Jerry Quarry
    38. George Godfrey
    39. Jack Sharkey
    40. Jimmy Young
    41. Mike Weaver
    42. Zora Folley
    43. Ron Lyle
    44. Cleveland Williams
    45. Ike Ibeabuchi
    46. David Tua
    47. Rex Layne
    48. Ernie Terrell
    49. Pinklon Thomas
    50. John Ruiz


    HM: Chris Byrd, Buster Douglas, Vitali Klitschko.

    Comments? Suggestions to improve it?
     
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  2. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tyson is too high IMO, but good list.
     
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  3. TommyV

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    I feel Tyson's a bit too high. But making a list like that is hard work, so overall an excellent list. :good
     
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  4. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nice effort. I'd put Buster Douglas in there by virtue of his huge upset over Tyson. I like him higher than Ibeabuchi and Tua. That's if we're talking accomplishments rather than head to head.
     
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  5. Muchmoore

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    I rank Tyson as the best Head to Head fighter ever along with Ali, so that moves him up a lot.

    Resume/Accomplishments wise it hurts him but even so he was youngest beltholder, unified all 3 belts in seperate fights, 9 title defenses puts him at least top 10.

    His lack of beating a great/very good fighter at their peak hurts him but most ATG Heavys don't have wins over prime ATGs. A fact many people overlook.
     
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  6. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Plenty of fights on there deserve to be above Ingo, for starters.
     
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  7. Muchmoore

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    Yeah I was thinking of putting Douglas in there, he's barely out of it.

    I tried to make it so it was 50 percent Head to Head, 50 percent accomplishments.
     
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  8. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Also, Jimmy Young needs to be higher for his reign of terror from being robbed against Shaver's and beating Foreman.
     
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  9. Muchmoore

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    Ingo beat everyone he ever faced and possessed arguably the best right hand the division had ever seen. His resume is under rated, apart from stopping Patterson, he brutally took out Eddie Machen in a single round (Machen lasted the distance with Liston) as well as beating Cooper, Erkstine who were solid fighters.

    Who deserves to be ranked above Ingo that isn't?

    About Young, that was one guy I thought I put a little low along with Douglas. He probably should be in the top 40.
     
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  10. Mendoza

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    My first comment is what if your criterion. Is this head to head, accomplishment within an era, or satastical analysis? Or a mix of the three?


    I think Tyson and Wills are rated too high
     
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  11. Muchmoore

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    I used a combination of Head to Head and Accomplishments.

    Who do you have above Wills?
     
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  12. Mendoza

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    About 22-25. Wills was pretty much a shade worse vs slightly past their prime versions of Langford and McVey. As they aged, Wills pretty much cleaned up on past their prime greats.

    While a title shot with Dempsey did not happen, Wills wanted no part of Godfrey, and did not impress vs some guys Dempsey flattened.

    With little prime film, some un-even performances, and no real top test vs elite fighters in their prime, I cannot rate Wills in the top 15. News reads suggest Wills was not fast, or defensive, but he had a big right hand and good body attack. Wills record reveal that he might have had some issues carrying his power into the later rounds. He has some early Ko’s, and a lot of distance fights, but not many TKO/KO’s say from round 8-finish
     
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  13. Sardu

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    1. Ali
    2. Dempsey
    3. Marciano
    4. Louis
    5. Johnson
    6. Foreman
    7. Lewis
    8. Holmes
    9. Holyfield
    10. Frazier
    11. Tyson
    12. Liston
    13. Tunney
    14. Charles
    15. Schmelling
    16. Walcott
    17. Wlad Klitschko
    18. Vitaly Klitschko
    19. Fitzsimmons
    20. Sullivan
    21. Wills
    22. McVey (tie) Patterson
    23. Baer
    24. Jeanette
    25. Norton
    26. Sharkey
    27. Quarry
    28. Bowe
    29. Langford
    30. Shavers
    31. Young
    32. Witherspoon
    33. Lyle
    34. Tua
    35. Ibeabuchi
    36. Byrd
    37. Bonavena
    38. Dokes
    39. Weaver
    40. Bugner
    41. Gerrie Coetze
    42. Johansson
    43. Page
    44. Tubbs
    45. Ellis
    46. Bruno
    47. Willard
    48. Godfrey
    49. Chuvalo
    50. Golota
     
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  14. Brian123

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    Gene Tunney and Jack Dempsey are regularly rated in the top 10 of all-time in any weight class so I think both deserve to go a bit higher. Good list though.
     
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  15. Muchmoore

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    Like I stated 5-12 on my list could be arranged in pretty much any order, I've rated Dempsey as high as 5, 6 in the past.

    Tunney is not a top 10 HW, he simply didn't have enough HW fights and his best win and really only solid win at Heavyweight is over a faded Dempsey.
     
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