Yeah and where is Corrie Sanders? The top 5 is solid. Holyfield at #6? Charles at #11, Patterson at #12, Sharkey at #20 are are all picks I'd slide back. Moore at #29 is a big reach. Layne ( at #32 ) making the cut and Risko making the cut are bad picks.
Pretty much a fantastic top 12 imo. Fair chance i would share your top 5 with possibly the only difference being Lewis ahead of Holmes but it's tight. Holyfield for me wouldn't be quite as high as #6. the back 4 look very good. Only big difference is i personally would not have Wlad in the 10. He'd be 10-15'ish. One of my bones of contention is that there's every chance he wasn't the worlds premier heavyweight for much of his career. Tho it wasn't their fault the incredible co-incidence of two brothers being the top guys in the world for some time hurts them both for mine. Ironically if they could have fought one of them would have received a huge boost and quite possibly both of them. It may have been a great rivalry under different circumstances and elevated the pair. A top rival is what they both lack particularly considering both of them were fluttering around for years. Unfortunate but it is what it is. I'm not sure if my line of thinking is orthodox but it's something i have felt for a long time.
Sanders didn't even make the first hurdle. After Wlad he has basically nothing. Hasim Rahman would understandably rank much higher. @70sFan865 I'd rate Patterson and Machen over Corbett and Sharkey. Same with Tua and Vitali. Also, I really contemplated moving Bowe down below Jeffries and Johnson, and I guess I can see him over Schmeling, but I'd take prime Holyfield twice over almost everything that those guys did. Plus Bowe's résumé outside of Holyfield is pretty underrated. I know Maxie beat Louis, but Louis admitted himself that he barely trained. He proved himself better than Max, whereas Holy didn't over Bowe. Risko is going absolutely nowhere. I love that guy. Plus, his win column is one of the most impressive below 25ish IMO. I guess I can see Moore going below Langford, but I'd have to mix **** up before it.
I might agree, but then Fitzsimmons had still far better depth (Maher, Ruhlin, Choynski, Hall vs basically nobody). Again, I think that Schmeling had better depth and overall top 5 than Bowe though.
Ambitious and good list, but Johnson's place sticks out. Seems way too low to me. Wills should probably be higher as well. And no Tunney or Greb?
I don't really value Johnson's wins over super green fighters or guys he out weighed by a few dozen lbs. I do appreciate his historical and racial significance but in a boxing sense, his title reign is pretty abysmal. He does have some good pre-title wins though. Tunney didn't fight there enough, although I could see him above say, Burns or Sharkey (definitely not his LHW counterpart, Loughran) and Greb's opposition is a combination of unimpressive and slightly unknown to me. So I left him off. Sullivan is a guy I've made a little note to myself about. He definitely deserves a place, but until I know enough about his competition to work out where, he's on the bench.
I agree this is causal. There are a few who don't belong. V. Klitschko still isn't respected by all, but IMO he's passed Norton, Byrd and Fitzsimmons.
Yeah, Johnson deserves a higher ranking mainly because of his pre-title comp. @Boilermaker @mcvey and @janitor are good at putting this run in perspective. Tunney has some good wins outside his two over Dempsey, I believe. Johnny Risko among them (was he on your list?) and Greb was one of the top HW contenders for a while, I think. Wills definitely was for quite some time.
I could have posted this but it's still a very good list. I have Tubbs and Jackson in there too. Vitali higher but like your rank of Spoon and Wlad.
Not bad. Pretty close to mine insofar as the top 10 are concerned. My problem is usually H2H vs resume when ranking.