My Top 50 HWs?

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  1. Colonel Sanders

    Colonel Sanders NSB defector Full Member

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    I don't know where you get the patience, but I know Marion Wilson deserves a spot in the top 15.
     
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  2. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    Jup he should be; in the top 20 (and some places higher than his brother, as he was in anything better despite the jab and has the superior record). Burns is also too low.
    I can agree to have Jeffries ahead of Johnson, but miss Sulivan and Tunney (each of these should be top 10 at least in my view). Tyson was also more impressive than Lewis and Holyfield at his peak, especially more dominant.

    I like Walcott and Schmeling in the top 20 though. But these boxers from 40 to 50 (apart of Sam McVey) are bad placed. There could be Firpo, a little bit higher can be Carpentier and Stribling.
    And I prefer Tom over Jack Sharkey.
     
  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, Johnson deserves a higher ranking mainly because of his pre-title comp. @Boilermaker @mcvey and @janitor are good at putting this run in perspective.

    Tunney has some good wins outside his two over Dempsey, I believe. Johnny Risko among them (was he on your list?) and Greb was one of the top HW contenders for a while, I think. Wills definitely was for quite some time.
     
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  4. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I could have posted this but it's still a very good list. I have Tubbs and Jackson in there too. Vitali higher but like your rank of Spoon and Wlad.
     
  5. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not bad. Pretty close to mine insofar as the top 10 are concerned. My problem is usually H2H vs resume when ranking.
     
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  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    If you have a HW top 50 you have to have Tunney in it.

    I think Johnson is top ten, can't believe anyone would have him below Jeffries tbh. But I can forgive him outside the Top ten as he's top 15.

    I think Patterson is too high but I under rate him.

    Langford is wayyyyyyyyyy too low.

    Overall a decent effort.
     
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  7. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Being 10 yrs apart, Foreman really should be ranked as 2 different and distinct fighters. Completely different style, stamina, size, speed, etc. They were different guys. I would also separate 60s Clay from 70s Ali. But Foreman for sho!
     
  8. CharlieFirpo85

    CharlieFirpo85 New Member Full Member

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    yip
     
  9. The Long Count

    The Long Count Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I always appreciate the effort put into these lists, good work. Of course we can all quibble over placements, but that’s the fun. Any top 50 list, even by Nat fleischher himself is bound to spark debate and derision. It’s impossible not too. Going over your own criteria I do have slight issue with Bowe at 15- you said H2h makes no factor at all, if that’s the case it’s hard to rate him that high based on resume. Do like your top 10. Keep up nice work
     
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  10. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sorry but this is an incredible stupid list. Some examples:. Risko never was better than Moorer.Holmes' 3. and wladimir klitschko's 7. place
    are too good.Vitali klitschko was far better than witherspoon,Patterson,Charles,fitzsimmons,Wills.
    All in all this is your opinion but the reality is a different thing.
     
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  11. Gudetama

    Gudetama Active Member Full Member

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    Nice job. Always interesting to read these kinds of lists. We all weight our lists according to different criteria. You said you don't go in for the hypothetical H2H. Some favour looking at eras, or longevity, or activity, or opposition past records, or even losses, fame, or pure size. I understand that you've probably taken many factors into consideration. If pushed for a favoured criterion, would it be fair to say you are mostly a "wins column" man? No criticism, as it's the strongest factor. Just wondering.
     
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  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    Yeah, absolutely. A win sheet strong enough can get you very far in my book. Hence Risko's inclusion. I can't help but think that if you've beaten countless great fighters then you've proven your greatness in a way that excuses for losing here and there.
     
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  13. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In breaking and very obvious news this list is resume based. Oops.
     
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  14. Arminius1

    Arminius1 Member Full Member

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    I agree Vitali klitschko should be in the top 10.
     
  15. Gudetama

    Gudetama Active Member Full Member

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    That's fairplay.
    I tend to concoct my own lists on a basis of 75% who I think they'd beat/lose to, and 25% who they actually beat/lose to. So I'm sure your list is much more valid than mine.
    So ignore some of the nasty comments. No need for them. Constructive criticism from the really knowledgeable posters here (one of whom I am most definitely not!) is worth much more.