My Top 50 HWs?

1- Muhammad Ali
2- Joe Louis
3- George Foreman
4- Larry Holmes
5- Rocky Marciano
6- Lennoks Lewis
7- Mike Tyson
8- Evander Holyfield
9- Joe Frazier
10- Tyson Fury
11- Riddick Bowe
12- Jack Dempsey
13- Sonny Liston
14- Jack Johnson
15- Gene Tunny
16- Wladimr Klitschko
17- Antony Joshua
18- Ken Norton

 

You were right to remove Risko.

My comments: You listed Sam Langford twice at #39 and #34, so you can add one more fighter.

Why Layne in the top 50? Your worst pick

Do you really think Vitali Klitschko would not beat many of those ranked higher?

Sharkey ar Bear lost way too many times to be #20 and #21

Holyfield lost way too often, didn't always look good while winning and had too few title defenses to be #6.

Tunney is way better than #43

 

Braddock is the only one atLhvy.
Loughran was no
8 in1930
6 in1931
2 in1933
5 in1935
As usual you are talking out of your arse Fruit Loop.
Name a year Walker was ever top ten ranked at LHVY?

Show me anywhere, in any rankings, I can see the name RUSLAN TSCHAGAJEW ?
Which alphabet boxing body,boxing magazine ,rankings feature him?

 

A good effort.

Some reaction by me. I would put Jeffries above Dempsey on resume. And I would switch Lewis with Holmes. Machen was very steady in beating second-tier guys, but failed consistently not only against champions (losing to Johansson, Liston, Johnson, Patterson, and Frazier, with only Johnson competitive--Maxim was totally washed up) but also failed to beat his best non-champion opponents, Folley and Williams. Quarry was greenish and stepping up for the first time. I think #32 is too high for him.

 

Tunney over Schmeling?

 

Pleased that you have now included Tunney,still feel he is to low though

 

It still hurts me to see Johnson below Jeffries and Langford out of the top 20, but all in all its a fantastic effort.

I love HW fighters but don't have the patience to do a top 50.

As for Ra's, what more can be said than already has been lol

 

Okay thanks for cleaning things up. if head to head doesn't matter, what does? Title defenses? # of wins over top ten rated opponents,?you tell me.

Layne is still a tremendous reach. Risko never belonged in the first place.

Losing is part of a resume. If a fighter losses too many times ( 5+ ) to non greats, how great is he?

I put Holyfield around #13, and feel his fans vastly over rated him. I would not say I hate him.

 

I feel like Johnsons best years were 1902 through to 1912. If you were to make a top ten of that decade, everyone in their would have one thing in common, they were beaten by Jack Johnson. His pre championship run is legendary, although a lot depends on your personal view of pre prime victories I guess. But his dominance over such a long period of time is pretty much unparalleled and certainly not by Jeffries. Its not so much that Jeffries isn't a great, I think his wins over Fitz, Corbett, Ruhlin and Sharkey are brilliant and the Griffin fight looks good with hindsight, but I can't really see him being greater than Johnson by any measure tbh.

The case for Langford as a top 20 is his incredible win column. Wills, McVey, Jeannette, Gunboat, Fireman, Porky, Jim Johnson, Clarke, Smith, Klondike. There's also the fact Johnson wouldn't face him as champ, so he beat up everyone else in the division. There's the argument that he was the best HW in the world for a few years. I measure greatness a bit different from you so I have him top 15 personally, but given your emphasis on wins, I definitely think his win column is better than the following you list above him: Vitali, Fitz, Ingo, Spoon, Byrd.

The other guys like Jersey, Schmelling etc, I can accept even though I don't agree.

 

Johnson has longevity, but Jeffries had consistency and quality of top wins. I don't see anything wrong with taking Jeffries over Johnson to be honest.

 

Your top ten is very, very close to mine. For that, I say, "Well done!"

 

Corries is right below Nate Tubbs lol.