My Top 50 HWs?

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    It still hurts me to see Johnson below Jeffries and Langford out of the top 20, but all in all its a fantastic effort.

    I love HW fighters but don't have the patience to do a top 50.

    As for Ra's, what more can be said than already has been lol
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    If you want to present your case for those two opinions, then by all means....

    I'm not against Jeffries/Johnson, me and @The Undefeated Lachbuster had a debate last week about it. We both concluded that Jeffries was slightly greater but it could go either way.

    I don't really know how you can fit Langford into a top 20, as I struggle to even see Wills in it, who should definitely be above Langford IMO. But go for it man.
     
  3. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Okay thanks for cleaning things up. if head to head doesn't matter, what does? Title defenses? # of wins over top ten rated opponents,?you tell me.

    Layne is still a tremendous reach. Risko never belonged in the first place.

    Losing is part of a resume. If a fighter losses too many times ( 5+ ) to non greats, how great is he?

    I put Holyfield around #13, and feel his fans vastly over rated him. I would not say I hate him.
     
  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I feel like Johnsons best years were 1902 through to 1912. If you were to make a top ten of that decade, everyone in their would have one thing in common, they were beaten by Jack Johnson. His pre championship run is legendary, although a lot depends on your personal view of pre prime victories I guess. But his dominance over such a long period of time is pretty much unparalleled and certainly not by Jeffries. Its not so much that Jeffries isn't a great, I think his wins over Fitz, Corbett, Ruhlin and Sharkey are brilliant and the Griffin fight looks good with hindsight, but I can't really see him being greater than Johnson by any measure tbh.

    The case for Langford as a top 20 is his incredible win column. Wills, McVey, Jeannette, Gunboat, Fireman, Porky, Jim Johnson, Clarke, Smith, Klondike. There's also the fact Johnson wouldn't face him as champ, so he beat up everyone else in the division. There's the argument that he was the best HW in the world for a few years. I measure greatness a bit different from you so I have him top 15 personally, but given your emphasis on wins, I definitely think his win column is better than the following you list above him: Vitali, Fitz, Ingo, Spoon, Byrd.

    The other guys like Jersey, Schmelling etc, I can accept even though I don't agree.
     
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  5. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Ii6 Full Member

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    Johnson has longevity, but Jeffries had consistency and quality of top wins. I don't see anything wrong with taking Jeffries over Johnson to be honest.
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your top ten is very, very close to mine. For that, I say, "Well done!"
     
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  7. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Corries is right below Nate Tubbs lol.
     
  8. lufcrazy

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    I feel like Johnson was more consistent and has better top wins tbh.
     
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  9. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Ii6 Full Member

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    Jeffries never lost in his prime, which you can't say about Johnson. Jeffries also beat the best HW in the world convincingly, which is again uncertain about Johnson.
     
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  10. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    He was probably top 5 (3) when he fought Loughran, were the decision could have went either way.

    Well I do:
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    So here you are, Baboon!! But hopefully you are gone for ever...
     
  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    I assume you'd have Marciano out for.... Liston?
     
  12. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    Tucker, Dokes and Berbick are superior to Coetzee for instance.

    To have the Samoain in it but not Ibeabuchi is also... seldom.
     
  13. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Jeffries only had 19 fights in his prime. Johnson also won 19 fights during his prime.

    His victory over Burns was very clear.
     
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    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Aggreed. Auch , Vitali was a Coetzee clone.
     
  15. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    You say that , but you dont actually believe it