My Top 50 HWs?

I mean Jack Johnson only really became a serious threat to Jeffries in 1903 or 1904, which is after all of Jeffries most important wins anyway.

I don't think there's a lot between them, Jeffries' title reign was certainly far stronger, and he'd beaten a number of the top black fighters before he was champion, but had some weird racist principle against giving them a title shot.

Jeffries probably has the best win between them, but less overall depth, so I would rate Johnson higher overall.

 

"which is after all of Jeffries most important wins anyway."

But Johnson would have been his most important win by far if Jeff had fought and defeated him in 1904 and Johnson's subsequent career played out in similar way.

of the pre-Louis heavyweight champions, I rate Johnson first and Jeffries second.

 

Ali
Louis
Lewis
Marciano
Foreman
Liston
Holmes
Tyson
Frazier
Jack Johnson
Wladimir Klitschko
James Jeffies
Jack Dempsey
Vitali Klitschko
Harry Wills
Archie Moore
Evander Holyfield
Sam Langford
Bowe
Tunney
Floyd Patterson
Ezzard Charles
Jersey Joe Walcott
Harold Johnson
Max Baer
Joe Jeannette
Max Schmeling
Jerry Quarry
Ingo
Tommy Loughran
Ernie Terrell
Eddie Machen
Oscar Bonavena
Ken Norton
Alexander Povetkin
Buster Douglas
Chris Byrd
Jimmy Bivins
David Tua
Rex Layne
Frank Bruno
Tim Witherspoon
Ernie Schaff
Zora Foley
Michael Moorer
McCall
Jack sharkey
Michael Spinks
Sam Mcvea
Jimmy Ellis

 

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2. Vitaly KLITSCHKO
3. Sonny LISTON
4. Riddick BOWE
5. Lennox LEWIS
6. Wladimir KLITSCHKO
7. Larry HOLMES
8. Evander HOLYFIELD
9. Muhammad ALI
10. George FOREMAN
11 to 20 (in no order): Ike IKEABUCHI, Tommy MORRISON, Michael SPINKS, Joe LOUIS, Ken NORTON, Ezzard CHARLES, Joe FRAZIER, Jack DEMPSEY, Cleveland WILLIAMS, Floyd PATTERSON

Current active HWs like Fury, Joshua, Wilder etc are not included until their career will be over.

 

Is this a candidate for the worst list ever on this site?

 

It's based on H2H, not on greatness/achievements/resume etc

 

There is no excuse for having Ali and Louis so low, no matter what your criteria are.

 

Cause it's about H2H, meaning everybody vs everybody. So someone placed 6th on the list could beat the guy placed 5th, but overall the guy placed 5th would have more wins against the other guys from the list.

 

Ali is top 10, that is not low.
As for Louis, I see him getting beat by all the guys in my top 10.

 

Bowe is 4th, just stop it...

Thankfully what they accomplished in real life matters more than your biased opinion. Your list looks like the list of your favorite fighters, not the best.

By the way, I just saw that you included Tommy Morrison in top 20 - yeah, it's by far the worst list I've ever seen here.

 

You probably misunderstood my post or I've explained it wrong.
I see Liston getting more wins over the other guys is the list than Ali would. Is that clear now ?!
As for Ali beating Liston, that was not prime vs prime. I still favor Ali due to the stylistic match and Ali's speed, but I'm just pointing it out. Plus Liston never blinded Ali, that was probably the ointment they used on Liston's injured shoulder that got into Ali's eyes during the clinches.

 

Bowe was very skilled and dangerous when he trained properly.

 

Cool, Louis was very skilled and dangerous no matter what.