My top ten p4p all-time... good list, or bad?

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  1. heehoo

    heehoo TIMEXICAH! Full Member

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    My list (newspaper decisions I am counting as well)

    1. Sugar Ray Robinson - 173-19-6, 108 KO's - Beat 9 hall-of-famers and 50 top ten ranked opponents. Won titles at welterweight and middleweight (the latter title he won 5 times).

    2. Henry Armstrong - 149-21-10, 101 KO's - Won titles in three weight divisions, featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight, and held these three titles at the same time briefly. Is arguably the greatest welterweight of all-time.

    3. Willie Pep - 229-11-1, 65 KO's - One of boxing's biggest winners, Pep was a very dominant featherweight champion who relied on defense and counter punching to win.

    4. Joe Louis - 66-3, 52 KO's - Won the world heavyweight title and made 25 defenses of the belt.

    5. Roberto Duran - 103-16, 70 KO's - Arguably the greatest lightweight of all-time who later moved up and won titles at welterweight, light-middleweight, and middleweight.

    6. Harry Greb - 260-20-17, 48 KO's - Arguably the greatest offensive fighter of all-time, Greb was a whirlwind, who always fired punches from all possible angles, and who never stopped coming forward. The only man to beat the great Gene Tunney, Greb's resume is fully stacked with hall-of-famers and top contenders.

    7. Benny Leonard - 192-19-10, 71 KO's - Leonard is one of the greatest lightweights of all-time. After winning the title, he lost only once in his next 85 fights, a fight against the reigning welterweight champion, Jack Britton, in a fight that many people felt Leonard threw because Leonard did not want to have to hold two world titles at the same time. The Ghetto Wizard was one of the earliest scientific boxers who had GREAT punching power and excellent footwork.

    8. Muhammad Ali 56-5, 37 KO's - Ali dominated arguably the greatest-ever era for the heavyweight division, and made 19 defenses of his title. Beat many of the greatest heavyweights, including Joe Frazier.

    9. Sam Langford - 217-48-39, 129 KO's - This dynamo is the greatest fighter of all-time never to win a championship. He beat MANY great names of his day, including Sam McVey, Joe Jeanette, and could have been champion at any weight from lightweight to heavyweight.

    10. Joe Gans - 151-12-18, 96 KO's - One of the all-time great lightweights, fought and defeated many of the best contenders at the time. Gans was also the complete package. He could punch and box with authority and was an adept counter puncher.

    Let me know what you think. I'd appreciate it.
     
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  2. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    I'm of the opinion that Greb and Langford are dead set inside the top 3, and I suspect their lower ranking will be the major criticism. Louis is too high for me, I don't consider him top 10, but its a very good list overall.
     
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  3. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wouldn't berate it,but I think both Greb and Langford are to low and deserve to be no lower than the 2 or the 3 spot. I personally have Langford number 1 all time based on his accomplishments against all time greats in every weight class from lightweight on up.

    I like Greb for the 2 spot based on his resume, but wouldn't argue about Robinson being here till I actually understand Greb's career better.

    I also think Ezzard Charles deserves a place in the top 10 before Ali or Louis, neither of who I rank in the top 10 p4p but very highly just the same.

    Jmo bro.
     
    JAB5239, Jan 20, 2011
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  4. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    The names are all there, just people are going to disagree on the placement.

    The omission of Charles probably deserved to be questioned...whats your reasoning there?
     
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  5. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    I'd change the order, and Ezzard is a lock for top 5 IMO.
     
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  6. heehoo

    heehoo TIMEXICAH! Full Member

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    Well, I guess you could say that I have not studied up fully on Charles as much as I have all the names listed here.

    I actually feel silly omitting him now that I think about it.
     
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  7. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Yeah, Charles. He's a lock for the top 5 in my mind. Should have caught that the first time.
     
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  8. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't. List like this are always a work in progress and rarely ever complete.
     
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  9. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well thats totally understandable..I'm the same with many fighters, and I wouldnt feel comfortable ranking them if I don't know much about them.
     
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  10. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :goodcharles would be on my top 10 before some of the bottom ones, greb too
     
    turpinr, Jan 21, 2011
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  11. D.T

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    Ali that low? WTF, shocking list bro.

    1. Robinson
    2. Ali
    3. Armstrong
    4. Louis
    5. Pep
    6. Greb
    7. Langford
    8. Gans
    9. Benny Leonard
    10. Moore

    That's a top 10.
     
    D.T, Jan 21, 2011
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  12. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    moore in but not charles, who beat him 3 out of 3:rofl
     
    turpinr, Jan 21, 2011
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  13. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fixed.
     
    El Bujia, Jan 21, 2011
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  14. D.T

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    turpinr

    About that Charles-Moore thing...

    How can you have Greb in but not Tunney if Tunney beat him like 150000 times and Greb only beat him once?


    Same thing ****head.
     
    D.T, Jan 21, 2011
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  15. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A few disagreements :
    1-How can a Ray Robinson[best fighter I saw],improve or even duplicate
    what a Harry Greb accomplished ,against larger men ? He COUDN'T and DIDN"T. At 160 Ray tackled only ONCE, a bigger Joey Maxim,who Ray knew
    couldn't hit harder than some middleweights.But Robby wisely avoided an Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Lloyd Marshall, Harold Johnson,etc, Lt
    Heavies who were far too strong and dangerous for him...Greb AVOIDED no one of his much larger opponents,licking them all.
    2-It is true Sugar Ray one back his title 6 times, which means that he lost it
    5 or 6 times.Wouldn't you think ?
    3- I have a Bob Fitzimmons or Sam Langford in the top 5,because what they accomplished against vastly larger men. A test of true greatness.
    4- To leave out a 187 pound Jack Dempsey,who when in his prime raise havoc against his opponents is dead wrong...Pound for pound at his Willard best ,he was a force of nature,until Hollywood took over...:good
     
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