my top ten...

I was surprised by that myself. I used a system there and this was what came out. I always ranked fighters based on resume, achievements, longevity and dominance. Recently I was bored so I started to make this list in excel. Every fighter is ranked from 1-5 in each category. Resume is multiplied with three, achievements with two. Addietionally there are bonus points. 10 points for fighters who dominated their era/were the outstanding fighters of their era, for example Louis, Ali, Tyson and Wlad. Klitschko. 5 bonus points went to fighters who were either strong "between era" champs or the second best hws in very strong eras, for example Holyfield, Frazier, Patterson, Liston, Wills, Charles, Dempsey and others. Then all points got added up and ranked based on that. This is the result. I struggled a bit with it and of course there are points to argue but overall and the longer I ook at it ... I´m quite happy with it.

 

Fair enough. If you're happy, who am I to argue.
:good

But with those results, I'd be looking for another system.

 

In that case you should downgrade Ali for loosing to Spinks since he was 36, same age Lewis lost to Rahman, and most would agree getting outboxed by an average novice is far more damaging than an early ko from a guy who can punch when:

A - McCall, Green and without the man who made you great (Steward)
B - Rahman, Trained for 2 weeks for a fight at 5000+ft due to working on Oceans 11.

How badly do you penalise Foreman for loosing to Young?
Or how about Liston for loosing to the mighty Marshall?
How about Dempdey (who's above Lewis on that list) getting sparked by Flynn in 1?

At least Lewis proved twice what happens when fully prepared.

The point I'm making is anyones record can be torn down by people who only focus on the negatives. Lewis's positives are more than enough to put him in the top 10.

 

I LOVE Patterson being that high.

He (along with Holyfield) are my favorite fighters of all time.

 

Well, I tried to be as objective with each fighter I can be. Yeah, my fav hws all ended up higher than I ever had them, aside of Johnson. But that surprised me myself. On the other hand, I´ve never ranked Tyson in the Top10 before and neither have I ranked him above Holyfield, many guys on here say I´m a Tyson-hater - I don´t consider me one myself. Well, he ended up at 7. If somebody would tell me that Wlad Klitschko is Top13 at hw and above guys like Liston, Schmeling, Dempsey, Wills I´d label him a nuthugger. Look where he ended up there.

I´m not happy with the list but with the system and with the points I gave most fighters, I think there is a bit to critizise here, in each category. And if that´s the end result, well so be it.

 

Lewis is not, and will never be, on a Top 10 list of anybody who is remotely sane.

Lewis is not even the greatest of 90s (that distinction goes to Holyfield).

 

Why? For beating an overrated Bowe 1/3? Seriously, outside of Holyfield what the hell did Bowe ever do other than duck Lewis and recieve an ass kicking x2 from Golota.
Or maybe Holyfield gets love for headbutting his way to victory over past it Tyson?
Let's not forget all done whilst loading himself with HGH. Or maybe for having a HW record of 25-10-2? Holyfield is a great HW, Lewis is greater.

H2H ability, record, title defences, early ko's over top contenders, longevity, Lewis is top 10 stop deluding yourselves.

You seem like the type of person who rates Tyson higher than Lewis:rofl

 

Fair enough, at least you're not hating on the guy.:good

(It's easy to seperate Bowe from the others, he's nowhere near the others record wise only H2H at a push)

 

Seemed like a fair list. Well done.

 

1 louis
2 frazier
3 tyson
4 marciano
4 holmes
5 liston
6 foreman
7 dempsey
8 lewis
9 clay
10 holyfield

 

Holyfield beat a better version of Tyson than Lewis did.

Holyfield beat the likes of:

Near-prime Mike Tyson.
George Foreman (before he regained the title).
Larry Holmes just after his controversial decisions against Spinks (after a layoff, which Larry actually said himself was a GOOD thing).
Riddick Bowe.
Dwight Qawi
Carlos DeLeon
Michael Moorer


All of those fighters are ATG's or borderline ATGs.


Who the **** did Lewis beat anywhere near those fighters???

Fat, slow, overrated, one-dimensional David Tua?
A fat guy that look like Mike Tyson?
An ancient Holyfield that he couldn't even dominate?
Hasim Rahman?


LOL


I'm sorry but your argument is flawed in syaing Lewis is greater than Holyfield.

If you judge a fighter solely on his win-loss record then you know absolutely nothing about boxing.

Even with that win-loss record, Holyfield still won the Heavyweight title 4 times, that should actually be 5 because he was robbed against Valuev (and I'm sure you know that that is more times than Lewis has won it).
Holyfield is a 2 divisions champion.


The best fighter Lewis beat was Klitschko and he got ****ed up in that fight.



So you really think Lewis is greater than 2-division champ, 4-time Heavyweight champion, beaten more world champs than anyone in Heavyweight history Holyfield?