my top ten...

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  1. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    top 10 is stretching it a bit, nay, a lot
     
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  2. D.T

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    turpinr, please show me your top 10 Heavyweights, ranked or not...
     
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  3. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    bigG, it's a fine list.

    Ali and Louis should be on any top ten hvy list, IMO.

    There's about fifteen or so other guys that can fill out the rest of the spots.

    You've got Ali and Louis, you have eight other viable guys -- it's a fine list.

    Now, it's not MY list .... :bart

    .... but I don't really see how that ought cause you to loose any sleep.;)
     
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  4. Unforgiven

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    Errr .... no.
    Neither old nor new is "better", each fighter deserves to be rated on his own merits, not some pre-conceived notion about the quality of an era.

    Haye above Dempsey is obviously an indication that you are prejudiced against the old, and for the new.
    Dempsey would have run Valuev, Ruiz and Audley ****in' Harrison out of the ring in half the time Haye managed.
    And in reality he did better than that against a deeper crop of rivals.
     
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  5. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i have done but only my top 8 are definites.
    no dempsey though
     
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  6. D.T

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    So then show me your top 8 please
     
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  7. bigG

    bigG Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i cant see how a list can be based on theopreticallhead to heads because its like judging apples and oranges...dempsey was great in his era...evidently, today he would be a tiny, aggresive, swarming heavyweight....well, he wouldnt even make heavyweight...and would be fodder for guys way below him on 'the list'...and before anyone mentions willard, todays 6ft 5in superheavyweioghts are athletes, not big raw farmers....the nutrition, legal (and illegal) supplelements availble in the modern era make comparing fighters from eras so widelly seperated nigh on impossible..

    ,,instead we have to judge them on their achievemnts at the time they fought, their skill, aggression, power, chin...yes, chin...(floyd patterson could be a top listed hw with his handspeed, decent power, style....but for his whiskers...), aura and overall achievements..

    hell, even fighters in the same era can miss each others 'prime years' by small margins and make comparing opponents impossible difficult....thinking lewis, bowe, holy and tyson here..SOMETIMES its hard to compare like opponents as that old chestnut 'styles make fights' rears its head....frazier gave ali fits in both their primes...foreman destroyed frazier..twice...and norton who, likewise gave ali fits..yet ali mugged big george..go figure..that said, as far as possible i like to judge fighters on what they did, not what they mig
     
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  8. combatesdeboxeo

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    tyson the 7? mike tyson is not top 10hw,frazier,jefries and patterson above foreman? what a crappy list.
     
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  9. combatesdeboxeo

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    according his career and legacy, not who would win.
    1_ali
    2_joe louis
    3_rocky marciano
    4_larry holmes( because his defenses, because he did beat crappy rivals)
    5_george foreman
    6_joe frazier
    7_holyfield
    8_jack jonhson
    9_jack dempsey
    10_lennox lewis(the guy who avoided to chris byrd)
     
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  10. Unforgiven

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    Willard was a good professional boxer, an athlete, not just a "big raw farmer".
     
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  11. combatesdeboxeo

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    yea, lmao, the old big fighters had much more stamina, the bums of today are tired after of 5 rounds.:lol: primo carnera was a ****ing animal who weighed 260-280 pounds of pure muscle and giant bones, not training weights like a madman. it was genetics. willard fought more of 20 rounds against jonhson. today not even a flyweight might fight 20 rounds:lol:
     
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  12. Unforgiven

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    True.
    In fact, I was reading a pre-fight article for Willard-Johnson the other day, and Willard was saying, "Johnson's too heavy, not in great shape, and will start to get tired after 15 rounds" :lol:
    Nowadays, big fighters wouldn't dream of going 15 rounds.
     
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  13. combatesdeboxeo

    combatesdeboxeo Guest

    :lol::D
     
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  14. Zakman

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    Exactly. Well put. Nice to see there are some boxing fans who recognize how ridiculously overrated Lewis is by some!:good
     
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  15. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    lewis and ali at 1 and 2
    then there's holmes, foreman, liston, frazier, tyson, joe louis

    here you go
     
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