Myth: Boxing is the only sport where 30s era athletes handily beat modern fighters

Your correct and assholes like Bert Sugar who don't know the first thing about boxing and yet somehow have a platform to tear the sport down are pathetic. That being said many divisions including the heavyweight division are very weak today. The Klits are good fighters and beyond that the division is horse ****. Dozens of heavyweights from the past would easily stay on top this weak era. Imagine Marciano against the hapless Ray Austin or against the spectacular Tony Thompson. Its laughable their are people that think swinging sledgehammer at a tractor tire and taking special vitamins will make some half ass middleweight from our era dominate guys from the past. Boxing aint no foot race Period

 

The only reason Russian's are good at chess is because American blacks are all playing football and basketball, whoops, SORRY!

Wrong thread...atsch

In all seriousness: The only MINOR exception that contradicts the TS premise is Olympic weightlifting. The lifters in the mid too late 80's hoisted the best totals ever. Probably because of less strict I.O.C testing protocols. Also, two decades is not enough time to establish anything of signifigance.

Nor is thinking that Marciano and Louis would beat Austin or Firtha. I agree they probably would but it would not be nearly as easy as many of you think.

 

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Imagine the Klitschkos wearing tiny mma sized gloves and being allowed to punch opponents as they are picking themselves up from the canvas??

It would be a bloodbath, troll :hi:

 

:rofl

 

They fought every 2 weeks so they can feed their families. There's no need for modern day fighters to do that. Volume of fights don't make you necessarily a better fighter. Sugar Ray Leonard is a top ATG great despite his relatively few fights in his career. Old era fighters fought alot of bums in between big fights.

 

Okay, so which one would you pick.

A Prime Middleweight Bernard Hopkins who has been in camp with the best trainers and studying film vs Sugar Ray Robinson who is at his walking around weight, who found out about the fight about 2 weeks before hand and has viewed no film.

The game has changed, and in an era where everything is scientific, guys who go in blind would get skinned alive.

 

Best thread in a while. Totally agree.

 

There are a lot of ways of looking at this, but I would say the best way to look at this is to look at stats and records.

Just taking baseball into account:
Babe Ruth's record for home runs in a single season was 60 (1927)
34 years later
Roger Maris hit 61 (1961)
37 years later
Mark McGuire hit 70 (1998)
3 years later
Barry Bonds hit 73 (2001)

Roger Maris record lasted 37 years! Mark McGuire's record only lasted 3 years, not very dominant. So if both grew up in the same era and had the same training, yes I think Maris would be the better single season hitter of the two.

So going back to boxing: Yes modern training may be better in terms of nutrition and conditioning techniques, but old boxers and new boxers are never going to be able to fight so we can't compare how those factors play a difference. What I would look at is championship records and what those records meant for that time.

Let's even assume a modern boxer could beat an old time boxer. If modern boxer won one world title and beat old time boxer who won three world titles in their respective eras, the old time boxer would still go down as the greater boxer. Why because in this era, there are more world titles to fight for, you have to win at least four linear titles or 6 ABC titles before matching the same feat the older fighter did.

 

Guys like Pacquiao, Marquez and Katsidis are pussies to you ?
**** off!!!

 

Wrong as for the weight issue. The moden science permits to boxer to be significantly heavier on fight night than before without losing any strenght. That means a today's champion would weight 10 pounds more than a former one.

 

Of course but it's a bit off topic. The TS says that boxing has never been as good as today. It doesn't mean former fighters would not be the best today, and it doesn't mean today's boxer would be better if we put them back.

In hockey, the difference is huge between the 50's and today but that doesn't mean modern players are better. That means hockey is better and faster. Same thing for boxing. Boxing is globally far better than before because of every past fighter, trainer, promoter, nutritionist, etc. who helped developping the sport.

 

I'm going to guess the end of same-day weigh-ins has far more to do with this than "the modern science."

The athletic improvements observed in boxing have been accompanied by across-the-board declines in skills. Only if you think the former outweigh the latter is the sport as a whole better.

 

Dope...
vitali was testing posetiv...bolt take the ****ing roids too....now everbody take roids

a rocky or Joe leuis with roids would be the best motha****ers ever

 

Not sure if it has been mentioned, but one of the aspects that hurts modern boxing and modern boxers is that in today's boxing business fighters don't fight enough and don't really face the very best fighters of their divisions. Classic boxing could have future world champions fight each other several times through out their careers, sometimes on their way up before winning the championship, and then after...

We've heard it before that most times we learn more from a loss than a win. Well, for the old timers this was part of their quality making aspect. They would win and lose fights but, no matter what, they were constantly fighting and learning. Modern boxing has gone a bit soft, and it affects the quality of fighters.

We still develope all time greats, and we do take advantage of trainning advancements, but it's not everything needed to produce the very best fighters in boxing history. I think the best balance between modern boxing and old time boxing was around the 1970's and 1980's. After that boxing became too much of a business with too many fighters not facing the best and the general public accepting almost every world sanctioning body as a legitimate championship.

 

atsch One punch and the guys in the 30's would be waking up in the 50's.