Myth: Roberto Duran has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

This is mind boggling.

Why don’t you actually do some research.

Instead of criticising Thomas Hauser’s report, go and actually read it properly.

It wasn’t in any way poorly written.

It was excellently written and it didn’t just focus on the Floyd-Manny fight.

You’re just too ignorant to read it.


An IV of that magnitude is banned by WADA.

They are banned because they are used as making agents to flush out PEDS.

IV’s of that magnitude are also officially classed as being medical emergency’s.

They have to be administered in a hospital by official medics.

They cannot be administered at home by non professionals.


Not being able to name a boxer suspended by an IV means NOTHING.

Use your brain and have a think as to why.

Think about the process.


Floyd was caught out because he was careless.

Most of the time the IV’s have been discarded by the times of testing.

Think about how long Lance Armstrong got away with it, after passing numerous official tests.


Floyd was not severely dehydrated. And even if he had’ve been, he still wouldn’t have taken an IV, or one of that magnitude.


USADA have clauses in their contracts which state that they don’t need to notify a commission if anything happens at the time.

Does that not ring alarm bells?


Floyd wanted a retroactive TUE clause adding to the contract, for if an IV was needed. Ha!

Does that not ring any alarm bells?

Before he even started camp, he wanted it in writing that he could use an IV.


Floyd should have been banned, but it was far easier for the NSAC not to open a full investigation. And if that needs explaining to you, then you really are at a loss.

 

I have Christian Guidice’s book.

I have acknowledged it.

I told you yesterday that I had no issue with what you’d written, only that it made me laugh.

The reason that it made me laugh, is because you jumped straight on it, yet you’ve turned a blind eye on Floyd’s misdoings.


Now admit that Floyd was also guilty of PEDS.


Also admit that the Leonard victory was great, and greater than any win that Floyd or Manny ever had.

 

I think when Floyd Mayweather beat Ricky Hatton that more or less put Any Duran argument to sleep the same way Hatton put Ricky to sleep.
Let's be serious Duran faced the Hitman of his day. Couldn't get out of round 2! $ faced the Hitman of his day...a more modern, more dangerous Hitman, nicer trunks etc. Mayweather won.

What more can you ask for? The guy wins.

 

Can't disagree with this.

 

Some more great stats.

Comparing Leonard, Hagler and Hearns, to the likes of Carlos Baldomir and a shot Shane?

Ha!

Brilliant.

 

Numbers, no context.

Shane was done.

Stop.

No, Duran doesn’t get extra points for losing.

He does however deserve huge credit for moving up to JMW and fighting a prime monster in Hearns.

Why don’t you think about that match up for a second?

A 5’7 guy with a 66” reach against Hearns?

Compared to a guy who wouldn’t even fight a pre-prime Canelo at 154?

This is why your thread is a joke.

You can mock Duran for getting knocked out, yet Floyd wouldn’t have fought a prime Hearns for a billion dollars.

Floyd was scared of little Manny, yet Duran fought Hearns AFTER he’d already fought Hagler.

So you can keep your stats.

Floyd would never have fought Duran’s opponents.

He could never have gone 50-0 in Duran’s era.

 

The Canelo who fought Mayweather would've gotten badly hurt against the Hearns who fought Duran.

 

I’m not fixated on the stats like you are.

I can judge for myself how good the fighters are.

Shane was badly faded.


Wasn’t Manny the no.2 P4P fighter when Floyd fought him?

Manny was also badly faded. He was injured too.

You rank on stats but I rank on reality.

I wouldn’t have Manny as being Floyd’s best win, irrespective of where he was ranked at the time.


Regarding Canelo, he just didn’t impress me that much at JMW.

Floyd was great when they fought, but Canelo didn’t pressure him at all and he just seemed in awe of him. He gave him too much respect. He seemed terrified of getting countered. Against a boxer as fast as Floyd who had a huge reach for a guy of that size, you can’t just stand off and have a boxing match with him. And I know that Canelo is a boxer and not a fighter, but Oscar was a boxer too, but he fought him aggressively at times, where he pressed him and pressured him on the ropes and in the corners. And that brought him success. It put Floyd on the defensive and it banked Oscar some rounds based on aggression.


So the question is:

How would Canelo have approached a Hearns fight back then?

He couldn’t have outboxed Hearns.

He also struggled with Lara and Trout back then.


The higher up in weight it went, the more of a chance Canelo would have had.

Today’s Canelo against a faded Hearns at SMW-LHW might have played out differently. But at JMW-MW, I’d strongly have favoured Hearns.


Now be honest:

How would Floyd have fared against Leonard, Benitez, Hearns and Hagler?

You can’t seriously believe that he’d have beaten all of those guys and remained undefeated.

 

P4P ranking is itself a subjective judgment of whatever journalist does the ranking at the time, though. It's not like someone won The Pound For Pound Belt.

 

It may be true that the Ring is the best we've got. Just as long as you're clear that what you're doing is citing to Ring journalists' views as your authority.

It also has the interesting effect that Loudon wouldn't need to find a P4P #3 who sucked to meet your challenge. He could alternatively find an authority who said Mosley sucked during that time frame. (E.g., famous coaches, etc., who are at least as qualified as Ring journalists.)