Myth: Roberto Duran has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    He weighed in at 129 3/4 pounds. It's a nice piece of trivia, but does little for either of their resumes. It was just a fight between prospects who turned out to be better than expected. And the film quality for that that is crappy.
     
  2. NoNeck

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    Your opinion. Absence of facts.
     
  3. NoNeck

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    I wonder how a green Marcel at 130 would do if forced to fight a reigning Gatti who got to enter the ring close to 160.
     
  4. George Crowcroft

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    That's the most spineless thing you could've possibly said.
     
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  5. NoNeck

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    It's cute how my comment about Marcel footage prior to the Duran fight went straight over your head.
     
  6. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

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    Are you actually resorting to H2H ? :lol: You made a resume thread, not a H2H one, and you know that. Duran fought Marcel when he was a still growing 18 year old Featherweight, with the older and fully grown Marcel getting robbed of his win against Shibata a year later, staying a Featherweight until his retirement. Floyd was a grown ass 28 year old Welterweight fighting another grown ass man in Gatti, with a good chuck of career ending beatings behind him, and a 1-2 record ahead of him prior to retirement.

    It's obvious, even to you, that the Marcel win is better than the Gatti one, so you resort to comparing a Featherweight with a much larger man H2H in order to save face. It's pathetic.
     
  7. NoNeck

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    The Gatti win counts for more because he was a reigning champion.

    The Marcel win is basically like Margarito's win over Sergio Martinez: It's an interesting factoid.

    BTW h2h matters when Floyd gave that weight up and Duran dragged up Marcel.
     
  8. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

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    So I guess Frazier beating Ellis, who was a reigning WBA champion with 1 title defence, is more impressive than beating the belt-less Muhammad Ali.
     
  9. NoNeck

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    No, because Ali was already a champ and not a nobody with a couple loses to nobodies. But you knew that.
     
  10. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

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    He wasn't the champ in any different way that Jeffries and Fury were during their comebacks against Johnson and Jeffries. He was out of the ring for 4 years and only held the lineal title claim. Ali was a former Champ and Marcel would become one, but they were both belt-less when losing to Frazier and Duran. Obviously Ali was a better win than Marcel and Ellis, but it wasn't because he was a former champ, but a better Boxer that night, the same way the Marcel win was a better win than the Gatti win. But you knew that.
     
  11. NoNeck

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    Let's stick to the topic: Review post 1 and make sure I've included Marcel in all qualifying categories for Duran.
     
  12. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

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    Ah, so now you're comparing resumes and not 2 fighters with a 30 lb difference in H2H terms ? Nice dodge. But nah, I won't. I've already made it obvious that the Marcel win is better than the Gatti win, despite what some stats may say. In case you occasionally forget why, just go back a bit.

    Numbers don't lie, I hear you say. Of course they don't, they barely say anything in the first place, after all. They don't give room for context. I haven't stated Marcel was better than all of Floyd's wins, just the Gatti one, so I won't bother with this sort of nonsense for all of Floyd's wins compared to Marcel.
     
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  13. NoNeck

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    You need to take some deep breaths.

    If I were a natural 135 and got offered a million to fight a prime 160 pound Gatti or a 130 pound unknown Marcel, who’d lost to two unknowns and jumped up a weight, I know who I’d be fighting.
     
  14. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Your opinion. Absence of facts.
    Gatti was not prime, him going to war with Ward 3 times and going 1-2 after Floyd is proof enough. Duran was only 2 lbs above the Featherweight limit when he fought Marcel. Marcel actually came in higher in the weigh in.
     
  15. NoNeck

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    Gatti was a year removed from the Dorin win which was the most impressive of his career. Prime.