Myth: Roberto Duran has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

Oh dear.

You still don’t understand how to rate wins.


It doesn’t matter if you think that Canelo could have taken Barkley apart.

That is completely and utterly irrelevant.


You are rating the wins by trying to look back at things from Floyd and Duran’s perspective.

It doesn’t matter if Floyd had an easier win over Canelo than what Duran had over Barkley.


You are looking at the stylistic match ups.

The quality of the opponents.

The degree of risk.

The degree of difficulty.


Duran’s win over Barkley was a much better win than Canelo’s over Floyd.

Barkley was the much more proven and dangerous opponent.

He wasn’t naive and pre-prime like Canelo was.

He was coming in off of a knockout win over a still very good Hearns.

He dwarfed Duran in height and reach.


Floyd beat a star struck Canelo, whilst having a reach advantage.

Sure, it was an awesome performance as Floyd was 36.


Both wins were great.

However, the bigger feat was a tiny Duran with only a 66” reach defeating a monster in Barkley.


It’s absolutely baffling that you can’t see that.


Regarding your initial point about Canelo, are you sure of that?

Because we’re not talking about today’s prime, P4P no.1 version of Canelo Alvarez.

We’re specifically looking at the specific version who fought Floyd at 152 pounds back in 2013.

A completely different version of the fighter that we see today.

A fighter which stood off of Floyd, showing him far too much respect.

A fighter who barely beat Erislandy Lara and who fought Trout.


So it’s a HUGE call to say that the specific version of Canelo who Floyd fought would have smashed up the versions of Barkley who Duran and Benn fought.

Canelo simply didn’t fight like they did back then, or how he fights himself today.

I’d have a rethink about that if I were you.

 

Mamby was ranked #10 in '76. Just checked. Turns out I was wrong about Brooks, he wasn't ranked between 6-10, he was ranked at #4.

They were placed on the same level, as in, both number one in the division. And no, they're not. Doesn't matter whether Mayweather was 38 or 78, Manny Pacquiao was no longer in his prime and even in his prime, wouldn't be close with a win over Ray Leonard. The Canelo win isn't even in the same stratosphere. That should just be obvious.

Okay? Do you want a medal? Ray Lampkin was a more impressive fighter than Baldomir ever was. Put Baldomir in Lampkin's shoes, and he winds up with a very similar record.

Duran quitting in the rematch against Leonard has literally no bearing on the quality of his win over him. And if we're honest with ourselves, Leonard was tear holes in both Mayweather and Pacquiao.

 

Pac got his TUE before the fact and used the drug for an injury, Floyd got his after the fact by the Nevada State Boxing Association, but USADA thought it was BS.

EDIT: Other way around rather:

"The TUE for Mayweather's IV -- and the IV was administered at Floyd's house, not in a medical facility, and wasn't brought to our attention at the time -- was totally unacceptable," Bennett is quoted as saying in the report. "I've made it clear to [USADA CEO] Travis Tygart that this should not happen again."
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_...nned-iv-manny-pacquiao-fight-according-report)

And there was no apparent reason for Floyd to use the IV except to cover up drugs. He didn't drain more than 3-4 lbs. That's a about three pints. All he needed was a good meal and a few glasses of water, no ****ing IV.

But I won't go down this side route with you. Because one of your biggest weaknesses as a poster (and it's a big one) is that you can't budge an inch on your excuses for your favourite fighters, and such posters aren't really worth engaging with.

 

Fighting the best fighters out there is the way to try and build the best resume possible.

Duran did that.

Floyd didn’t.


Yes, the ‘No Mas’ hurts him.

It’s something that Floyd never did.

Yet there would never have been a ‘No Mas’ with Floyd, simply because he’d never have signed the contracts in the first place.


You are mocking a guy who had 8 losses by fighting over 100 times, against prime ATG’s like Hearns, Leonard and Hagler, whilst at the same time supporting a guy who dodged Manny, kept retiring and who fought an MMA fighter in order to protect his precious zero.


Let me educate you on something:

If Floyd had fought the guys who Duran did, his shiny 50-0 resume would never have existed.

 

WTF are you talking about?


Are you actually being serious here?


Floyd was caught with an illegal 750ml which should officially have been classed as a medical emergency, requiring admittance to a hospital.

That is a fact.


It is illegal as it was known as a masking agent.


The excuse that he gave was embarrassing.


1. He wasn’t severely dehydrated to the point of needing an IV of that magnitude.

2. Even if it was legit, it’s a medical fact that it would have been more beneficial to have taken oral fluids beforehand.

3. If you believe that he was dehydrated after only being 3.5 pounds out at 30 day weigh-in, then you obviously still believe in Father Christmas.


The facts are:

1. Floyd wasn’t dehydrated after the weigh-in, as he’s never had weight issues his entire career, and all the hard work had been completed a week beforehand.

2. Floyd initially tried to work a retroactive TUE clause into the fight contract before he’d even booked his camp.

3. It purposely wasn’t reported to the NSAC by he or any member of his team, meaning that the NSAC had absolutely no knowledge of it, until 3 weeks AFTER the fight had happened.


Ha!

Have a word with yourself man.

 

Lampkin was about 20lbs smaller than Clottey (and Baldomir) and 10lbs smaller than Judah. I didn't you could straight swap them, I meant if you put Baldomir in the 70s. His stay at the top wouldn't be anywhere near what it was in his own time and it'd be far more painful.

No, Mamby achieved his ranking by thrashing the Commonwealth LW champion and drawing with a top ten welterweight. He then further proved himself. He wound up at #10, rather than higher up because of the losses. He didn't get ranked because he lost all 20 rounds against two good fighters.

Canelo then was having close fights with Trout and Lara, and he was nowhere near the fighter he is now. It's merely a very good win, because Canelo was merely a good fighter. Overcoming the weight is impressive - although it isn't knowing he made Canelo work extra to get below the weight - but the age thing should come under longevity rather than résumé. Even if Mayweather beat current Canelo, it wouldn't be as good a win as Duran's over Ray Leonard.

Wow, he's the only guy to do that incredibly specific thing? Stupendous. Fact is, Mayweather did not beat a prime Pacquiao regardless of his own age. Even if he did, it wouldn't be as impressive as moving up and beating a prime Ray Leonard.

 

And the fact that after years of slandering Manny without an ounce of proof, it was actually Floyd which was guilty of taking PEDS.

Thomas Hauser exposed both Floyd and USADA.

It was obvious as to why it HAD to be swept under the carpet.

 

Bingo .. Context ,, but some just just dont get it

 

1. Floyd’s wins over Canelo and Manny don’t in any way compare to Duran’s win over Leonard, and especially the Manny win given the circumstances.

2. The ‘No Mas’ fight has no bearing on his Leonard win from their first fight.

3. Regarding size considerations, Floyd had advantages in height and reach over Manny, and reach over Canelo.