Myth: Roberto Duran has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Come to think of it, Floyd's public persona was basically a Columbo villain-of-the-week. The episode would probably be entitled, "Out For The Count," or similar, and feature Floyd trying to rid himself of one of the relatives he's always feuding with. Perhaps with the help of a Panama Lewis inspired henchman.
     
  2. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We just seem to be on the opposite ends in this thread with most of it .. what does this fight have anything to do with Floyd JMM .. Has Floyds fight with JMM aged well ,, sure it has, for the people who dont know the context of it . Floyd dragged him up 2 divisions, then proceeded not even to make the weight himself ,, he then cuts JMM a check for 500 grand to make the problem go away (if I remember correctly).. after the fight , JMM goes back down to LW .. And never fights at welter again for another 2 years !!!! so yeah ,,, this fight has aged about as well as the warts on my **** !
     
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  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I read the Hauser piece and it was amateurish. I remember Hauser making a stink out of the doctor who approved the IV for using a code like "unspecified dehydration" although doctors commonly use vague/generalized diagnoses since they're billable, audit proof, and lawsuit proof since a generalized diagnosis is rarely a misdiagnosis.
     
  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    He had a TUE for Celelstone which allows for inhuman recovery in training due to inhibition of inflammation (WADA banned). Floyd had a TUE for the IV. The TUE's had zero impact on the ultimate outcome of the fight.
     
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  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I am adding an asterisk next to Roberto Duran's second win over Viruet because I have uncovered that he was apparently on PEDs (B12 doesn't do that ****) and to the second Leonard fight because he admitted to using diuretics in training.

    Here is the passage I found:

    I am reading Roberto Duran's biography named "Hands of Stone" (by Christian Giudice) and on page 146, Duran said this about his 2nd fight with Edwin Viruet:

    "They gave me this injection to get stronger and faster....an injection that they give to horses....."
     
  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Brilliant.
     
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  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ha!

    It wasn’t amateurish at all.

    It was very well written, listing credible sources.

    Thomas Hauser is a highly respected sports writer and boxing journalist, and he has been for the last 25 years or so.


    USADA work for the fighters who are paying them.

    Go and look at the copy of the fight contract and what clauses Floyd wanted putting in it.

    Up until the date of the article, they’d only caught one fighter due to it have been investigated.

    They only offer summary’s and not full breakdowns.

    They have a loop hole where they don’t have to notify any commissions of the results.

    They don’t use both samples.

    They don’t offer all year round testing, only the period for when the fighter specifies.

    It’s all a complete waste of time.


    Also, go and look at the rumours where Manny settled out of court, which stopped Floyd’s supposed THREE failed tests from being exposed.


    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiE2LfP_sb2AhWOtqQKHTnBCckQFnoECAcQAQ&url=https://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada&usg=AOvVaw24lK662eaZWR2o36Oje9BB
     
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  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Here we go again.

    How many more times?


    IVs of that magnitude are banned by WADA.

    Floyd wasn’t dehydrated to the point of needing that IV.

    Wake up.


    The TUE could have played a big outcome in the fight.

    It’s all there in the article.


    He could have used PEDS all throughout the year, but then stopped taking them during his camp, where the IV’s would have masked the usage.


    The fighter benefits from the PEDS after he’s stopped taking them, after they’ve been in his system for a prolonged period.


    Now either read the article and do some more research, or stop talking about things that you have no knowledge of.
     
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  9. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All respect, but it has? Prime Mike beat a five years past it, 2 years ring rusty Holmes...what aged well about it?
     
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  10. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ha!

    You chalk that off.
     
  11. scandcb

    scandcb Active Member Full Member

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    Why on earth do you bother?

    He's a lost cause.

    Probably best to let him believe that Mayweather, Wilder and Tarver are the answer to all of the world's ills.
     
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  12. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Thank you, but if someone can recover incredibly quickly they can train more & harder.
    Why was that not likely to effect & increase his fitness & abilities?
     
  13. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nothing concrete, it should be said, even though there is some heresay on the matter. But mostly that he did an unprecedented journey through the weight classes in an era of PEDs.
     
  14. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He didn't make the catch weight, it should be said.

    And he didn't fight at WW again until, when two years older, he went up for the the third fight with Pac, and weighed in the same for that one (142). Any reason to believe that that version was better, or even as good, as the one who fought Floyd?
     
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  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That Holmes, like JMM, had success later on. At the time both were thought to be washed up, but they proved there was still life in there.
     
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