Myth that American leading heavyweights are in other sports-

Just to blow this ****** ass eastern euro argument up. What divisions are dominated by eastern euros..... and if just the heavyweight division currently for like the past 3-4 years tops what about all the rest of the fighters at lower weight classes. Or do all eastern euros walk around at 6-4 200 plus pounds...lol

 

Do you have ****ing 20/10 vision you dumb ass. A Ukraine been on top of the division for about 3-4 years you dumb ass homo. Prior to that, years and years upon years prior who was on top. Who the **** was on top? They also got 24 fighters at 154 and only one that is good. So suck a dick and blow it out of your ass. Denmark got 4 fighters fighting at 168..lol one of them is on the top of the division. Does that mean that the brits are pathetic for only having 2 or 3 at the top. I always knew you eastern euros had an inferiority complex.

 

No, it's not. US boxing coexisted and thrived for decades with pro football and pro basketball; in fact, there were multiple leagues for both in what's regarded as the "golden age" of HW boxing- the 60's and 70's had the ABA, NBA, AFL, and NFL. Then there was the USFL for a few years at the tail end of that.

If it were that simple, show me where the US lightweight pipeline is to give us the next Sweet Pea, Canzoneri, Ambers, Mayweather, etc. Show me where there's the backlog of great light heavyweights. There isn't one. There used to be a number of excellent US based lighter weight fighters coming up at any given point in time. Now, those pipelines are more bare.

Bigger athletes playing other sports isn't the cause of any reduction in US boxing talent; it's the result of a sport that's lost its mainstream prestige. Heavyweights might've gotten the press, but the lighter weights were and still are the lifeblood of US boxing. You can't ignore the reduction in their numbers and only mention heavyweights just because they fit your argument. US Superheavyweights were always few and far between. The NFL/NBA excuse doesn't explain why there's fewer of those smaller prospects coming through.

 

That is irrelevant and wrong. The thread title is discussing the heavyweight division. Your post is inaccurate on so many levels but I've got dinner plans in five (it is almost 7:00 pm in Las Vegas) so I'll have to rip that foolish post to shreds a bit later.

There has never been a great career path for "small guys" to make careers in athletics. We don't play soccer over here. Small guys have jobs. The only career path that deserves discussion is the one that impacts and supports the largest athletes (small athletes are ancillary and immaterial on the whole). The US university and collegiate system supports and subsidizes the path that leads to three sports (NFL/NBA/MLB). We don't have any material number of "Floyd Mayweather" sized athletes in any of these sports. There is no substantive amateur or collegiate system furthering the pursuit of boxing (not even at a level equivalent to the past when the population was comparatively smaller than today). Reasons that might be perceived as or in fact are affecting smaller vis-a-vis larger athletes doesn't change anything in viewing the impact of the NFL/NBA/MLB on the US heavyweight boxing scene.

No time .. got to go (7:02).

 

I am actually aware that there are a couple of training facilities running bigtime as we speak , one on the east coast in Florida, and one on the west , in so cali.. purely for the development of heavyweights.. This is from a very reliable source and i know there is massive money being put into these programs.. I heard that Stacey Mckinley is involved with the camp down in Florida. I heard that while in las Vegas last month.. This is kinda tying up what this thread is looking at, big athletic men that have that unique ability to be able to show flair in Boxing.. If you search through hundreds of unturned rocks, you are going to one day come across the next Mike Tyson or Sonny Liston ...

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at how angry my post made you. My main point still stands. If country A has 400 HWs, and country B has 25 HWs, and country B has the top HWs, then country A needs to start looking for other reasons as to why their HWs have declined so much, instead of blaming the NFL and NBA, and saying ******ed **** like every NFL team has 10 potential HW champs, or **** like "I heard a boxing trainer had a couple football players in the gym and they were amazing, and he was begging them to box but they wouldnt do it." As if anbody gives a ****.

And as for the Brits being pathetic at 168, well the key difference is this. Do you see a bunch of brits on here whining about all their best super middleweights playing soccer, rugby or cricket? I sure as hell dont. And lol @ me being eastern euro. Im just an impartial observer giving my opinion. And I think that having 400 HWs (WAY more than any other country) is more than enough to produce at least 1 or 2 top level heavys. They dont have to be Ali or Frazier, but at least something better than Chambers and Arreola. And if that cant be done, there has to be other, more legitimate reasons, not this weak NBA/NFL excuse.

 

A lot of Americans get into boxing after their other sports careers are over or have no room for advancement.

 

shut the **** up! vitali is GOAT!

 

Well, id expect america to rule nba & nfl as they are primarily an american sport...whereas boxing is a global sport...

 

nobody has yet commented on this...is that because the americans have realised they cant refute it? This guy would have been just as likely as any other american athlete!!

 

Definitely not, just not denying the truth. You can choose to believe the obvious truth in the matter, or not... it's quite simply really, and quite obvious.

 

Sheridan's chin :rofl

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LoL at the English guys holding on to one or two guys. Nobody said they couldn't or wouldn't. That's not even what's addressed in the topic. Besides I'd bet basketball and football are far more popular and competitive (relatively) than rugby/cricket are in Britain? Are loads of people, let alone heavyweights seriously playing the crap of a sport. No it doesn't even count as a sport, and soccer is one of the worst sports. What are the Eastern Europeans doing? Boxing is far more on the decline in the US than it is world wide. Germany loves the Klits.

Stupid thread, that shouldn't have even getting this much attention.

Do people really believe that all of a sudden the rest of the world in terms of heavyweights just surpassed the Americans in just a snap of the finger? And look at the top Heavyweights we have currently? Open your damn eyes and use your head.

You either believe...

US decline is exaggerated and BS. Football and basketball aren't replacing anything.

Or most heavyweight boxers from America are terrible, less occurring, and worst than they have been a century.

There's no cause and effect relationship here... obviously.

 

he obviously wasnt hurt, he got back up normally straigh away. And taking a big right from a guy weighing 260 without gloves isnt an easy achievement.

 

There are 3000 rugby clubs in England, with a minimum of 18 players each, you are so insular you sound like a ******. The fact that you call it a crap sport yet both Rugby and Cricket are more popular than any US sport shows what a deluded **** you are.