Myth that American leading heavyweights are in other sports-

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This is garbage. The people claiming that there hasn't been a marked decline in the size and quality of the American talent pool due to the falling popularity of the sport in the US are the same ones who claim that the current HW division is thriving and rich with talent. They've got a clear agenda, and it's pointless to attempt to debate them because they always respond to any divergent opinion with ridiculous accusations of anti-white racism, anti-Eastern bloc xenophobia and bitterness on the part of American fans.

They're ****ing delusional, so it's best to steer clear of them.

 

What a moronic post saying absolutely nothing. Why did I read that?

lmao

 

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I actully feel most of the top athletes in the US are in other sports. That is not really a myth considering most americans are NOT die hard boxing fans. They are FOOTBALL, BASEBALL, BASKETBALL fans...ect. American athletes are not that keen on the brutality of the sweet science and VERY FEW making good money as a fighter. The mentality of the US athletes are not like many other countries and that is a shame. For the few that do make noise or a deep impact in boxing from the US its from smaller athletes...athletes whom can't make it in Football, baseball or basketball due to thier size and physical demensions. I honestly believe it's not an excuse or "sour grapes". It is what it is. It's not saying our top athletes would beat the best GLOBAL HW's that are out there b/c it has to come down to mentality as well and BIG football, baseball or basketball players don't have that kind of mental fortitude. It's a completely different ball game. It's more enticing for these big athletes to go after the other popular sports b/c they are more available and easier to make a great living by making that your career.

 

He's basically saying that the great American HWs were only dominant because they never faced any stellar international competition like what we have now. And his point is backed up by how miserably American champs like Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holyfield and Bowe performed in the amateurs against international fighters.....oh wait, nevermind.

 

It should be evidence in itself how late American heavyweights are turning pro. 75% of our new heavyweights have a knee injury story or didn't make the draft so I turned to boxing.

Put it like this the least paid nba benchwarmer gets 250,000 a year to sit the bench. Not so sure about football and baseball but it's up there. That means a bottom level pro makes what a champion contender makes and in some cases a champion.

Now you do have somewhat of a point that either way we would be seeing guys from other countries in the heavyweight mix. But to make a claim that the US wouldn't be in the mix is stupid.

You can get a ball and pretty much play any top sport in the US. To excel in boxing you need gloves, ring, gym etc. Which aren't easily found anymore. The US is putting boxing and other fighting sports on the back burner.

 

That is absolutely right.

 

No doubt! I mean I understand why some of the other posters feel it's "Sour grapes". Becasue lets face it...some Americans are cocky and arrogant, but everyone country has those "patriots". But what's real is that Americans as a whole are not BIG boxing fans....fans that are devoted to the more popular sports like Football and basketball. And you need to be big in those sports. Not that it matters anyway b/c the HW sceen isn't that exciting at the moment. I'm sure it will change down the road but it won't be b/c US HW's somehow make a comeback. We might have one or two that are serious contenders or even title holders but the way things are the US BIG MEN...true athletes will gravitate towards the more financially enticing sports...the ones that are pushed in the states and boxing just isn't there.

 

:huh

What's right?

You mean that the talent level in the current HW division is respectable just because it's diverse? Uhhh...no.

Or that Ali (gold medalist), Frazier (gold medalist), Foreman (gold medalist), Bowe (silver medalist), Holyfield (bronze medalist) proved that they couldn't cut it against the rest of the world in the amateurs? Don't think so.

His post was ****, and you're a clown for agreeing with him.

 

not even that but who the **** are you supposed to box with and build a foundation?

you can go to basically any rec center or corner neighborhood in america and you will find atleast 3 basketball courts in a 10 mile radius if not more... you can play that all by yourself

football is incredibly structured so you have that....

boxing is neither

right it shoudlnt even be about usa vs ______ .... the entire division sucks.. for any one to champion the hw division shows they just have some sort of resentment towards the usa.... its a bad division and every fighter 1 - 25 is really not that great

and like you said from supermiddle up starts to tip toe into the area of the size of a high school basketball player or foot ball player... i garuntee you that these kids & their parents will have them in a jersey before they have them in a set of gloves

 

They don't understand cause they don't live here. You can't just go out and find a gym you have to look for it.

I can walk on foot and in 5 minutes find 3 basketball courts. I can walk to the park and find a big field where when I was a kid we use to play baseball and football. Now I see the kids still playing.

On a nice spring ir fall day the courts are packed from the street where you can barely see. There's no push for kids to box and even less places to learn or train.

 

There is nothing wrong witht he Talent Level in the HW division. In other eras the Talent was deeper but there are talented guys right now. It's the lack of SKILLS that is killing the excitment in the HW division. THe guys now are SUPER HW's who less rely on skills and more rely on raw strenght, power and size to overpower their opposition. The Klits have good skills but they are NOT the ALI's, TYSONS or Holmes in terms of skills that were on blast when these kinds of HW's dominated the divsion. With skills + POWER excitment is garnered. Right now its a lot of BIG men with lack of technique going in there and showing little craft. That's on a GLOBAL level. Not just in the UK or US. Which is why the HW divsion isn't the premier divison anymore.

 

no but seriously... who is talented in todays heavyweight division

each guy is a 1 trick pony ... from 1 - 10.. they are all 1 trick pony's ...

 

The fact that even legendary gyms like the Kronk have had their funding pulled is quite telling. There's no way that would have happened in the 80s or 90s. I've heard that military boxing programs are on the decline as well.