Nacho Beristain hopkins my fav fighter,slams wbc,chavez jr and canelo

pong · Aug 24, 2011

I am ready for all of them, he said in English, his soft voice belying his rugged exterior.

I asked him about Martirosyan, whom the WBC has ordered Angulo to fight for a shot at WBC titleholder Saul Alvarez.

Hes a good fighter. He has a good record. Thats him, he said simply.

As for Saul Alvarez, Hes a good boxer. Hes young. Thats it. If he is a champion, he should fight the best in the world, said Angulo.

Thats his problem, I said.

Angulo laughed and agreed. When you are champion of the world, you fight the best.

At ringside, Nacho Beristain told me that Angulo would beat Canelo Alvarez in five or six rounds. At dinner the night before, he told me Angulo could beat Chavez Jr. and Canelo on the same night.

Canelo will probably fight Nacho next instead of you, I joked.

Angulo laughed and translated for Nacho who laughed and nodded.

It would be better for him if he fought me instead of Angulo, said Nacho. [Canelos] a killer of old guys.

Nacho went inside and Angulo and I spoke a little more. He didnt seem bothered that the fight did not last long.

My work is done in the gym. How the fight goes? he trailed off with a gesture of his hands and a shrug.

This is my work and I love my work, said Angulo.
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Bodyshot99 · Aug 24, 2011

chavez jr: Yes

canelo: 50/50

Emeritus · Aug 24, 2011

Bodyshot99 said: ↑

chavez jr: Yes

canelo: 50/50
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I didnt like Canelo in the Cotto fight he seemed in trouble.....He has improved steadily but Im not convinced of his chin, but thats just me!

GTWOSIX · Aug 24, 2011

Agreed

elchivito · Aug 24, 2011

Angulo the slow heavy handed brawler he's going to fight smarter under Beristein. Anyone notice the one two and left uppercut combo in his last fight ala Jmm? Lol. I almost squirted beer thru my nose when I saw that ****.

Doc · Aug 24, 2011

Jr yes...

Canelo no... 50/50 and angulo mastering them skills with nacho its gonna be an epic battle.

I see a mab Morales rivalry brewing here... with angulo canelo. I'm hoping they come out on top of their division and give us an epic Mexican battle.

Bodyshot99 · Aug 24, 2011

Emeritus said: ↑

I didnt like Canelo in the Cotto fight he seemed in trouble.....He has improved steadily but Im not convinced of his chin, but thats just me!
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i saw him in the cotto fight too

i agree with the chin and he hasn't been in with any big bangers yet

fenom969605 · Aug 24, 2011

i believe canelo is a good fighter the cotto fight just taught him he needs to learn defense in the hatton fight he got hit alot which led me to believe he wouldnt learn but in the rhodes fight i thought he had more defense.If he can stay away from angulos power shots then he'll beat him but thats only if he doesnt get caught with one of those heavy shots.i agree its a 50/50 fight i wouldnt know who to pick

pong · Sep 6, 2011

We asked why Pacquiao is so difficult for Marquez who, at 126 and 130, was able to stay with Pacquiao where fighters at 140 (Ricky Hatton) or at 147 and above (De La Hoya, Antonio Margarito, Joshua Clottey and Miguel Cotto) have either been stopped brutally or shutout by the Filipino fighter who started his own career at 106 pounds.

I think its the opposite, said Beristain. Juan Manuel is very difficult for Manny because they were in 24 rounds in which [Manny] knocked [Juan Manuel] down in the two fights - three times in one - and he got up because the referee was in favor of [Manny]. Who was the champion? Double champion? Thats why we dont want Joe Cortez. He told Juan Manuel, You are the champion but if you hit him and knock him down and he is down in the canvas and you punch him, you will irremediably lose your title. And it was the opposite. In the third knockdown, when Juan was with his glove in the canvas, Pacquiao went and punched him and Cortez ignored it. He wasnt going to disqualify him.

Replays show Marquez clearly down and getting hit well past that time by Pacquiao. Still, it was what happened after that round that gives Beristain and Pacquiao fits.

Juan got up, came to the corner with blood and hurt by the three knockdowns but he started to figure [Manny] out in the second round, said Beristain.

There are many who feel this third fight with Pacquiao will not be competitive as Marquez seems to have topped out at 135 pounds while Pacquiao has moved up past 140 and had much success. Marquez has already fought once at welterweight against Floyd Mayweather and was shutout over 12 rounds back in September of 2009. At the weight, he looked flat, old and slow. We asked Beristain if he feels that Top Rank, who waited four years for a rematch and now another three years for this rubber match, are getting Juan at the right time and at the wrong weight.

Yes, they got a little bit of advantage but look, there is a detail that people have not understood, said Beristain, setting up his cigar holder as Marquez and a sugar shaker as Pacquiao. Here is Pacquiao, who is a southpaw, and here is Juan Manuel Marquez, who is an orthodox. And here, this little space [between them], us trainers call it The Combat Zone. If Juan Manuel dominates that combat zone, he will take Pacquiao to round 12 again. If Juan Manuel gets careless in technique, Pacquiao can knock him out because of his punching power, which is superior. But if we manage to make Juan understand that if he dominates that little space called combat zone, he will beat him. He will beat him again.

Beristain offered a third scenario.

If [WBC President-for-Life Jose] Sulaiman and Bob Arum already came to an agreement to block [Marquez] because Pacquiao generates millions and millions of dollars...

It should be noted that this fight is not for a WBC belt. However, WBC champ Victor Ortiz is fighting Floyd Mayweather Jr. later this month and perhaps Beristain was referring to that instance. As I stated before, I will share Beristains thoughts on Sulaiman in a later installment.

While some define Pacquiao as a pound-for-pound entrant or a fighter who has won titles in eight weight classes, it would seem to Beristain that this rivalry is what defines both men. While other fighters have fallen to Pacquiao and Marquez, when they fight, it is always a classic encounter decided by the smallest of margins. That kind of definition is what all fighters and trainers hope for. No one is ever great on his own. It takes a fighter of equal skill or ability to bring it out of you.

I believe we have to be grateful to Pacquiao because he showed up on Juans career and with those two fights they robbed from Juan, instead of setting him back, the Filipinos themselves welcome Juan like crazy. The second idol of Philippine boxing is called Juan Manuel Marquez.

One day, when I was gonna train Oscar, I was very early at the airport in Mexico and about 15 Filipinos came, Beristain continued. I believe they were in some convention. I was wearing a Juan Manuel Marquez jacket. Some people were laughing. I was seeing them laughing. When I turned back, the Filipinos were there with cameras taking photos of the Juan Manuel Marquez jacket. Then you know what the Filipinos themselves told me? The Filipinos told me Juan Manuel Marquez won.

In many ways, Juan has defined Manny, one of us offered.

[Marquez] dominated that little space, that which is super important for a southpaw and an orthodox fighter, said Beristain. [Juan Manuel] walked and threw. Manny threw or attempted to throw a punch and Juan Manuel responded with three, walked there and wouldnt let him...in that fight, the last one, Juan Manuel had cut him seven times in the right eye.

I define Pacquiao as a great athlete, a pleasant person, humble, said Beristain. He is a great fighter. I have had big arguments with the people that say he uses anabolic [steroids]. I do not believe that.

Finally on the subject, we asked if the size of Pacquiao will be too much for Marquez at this stage of their careers. Beristain pointed out that while Manny has taken the weight well, the difference is that he has been facing bigger, slower fighters. In Marquez, he will be facing someone his own size.

Its not his natural weight though. Pacquiao has never gone above 140, said Beristain. In truth, Pacquiao has weighed 145 twice, 144 twice and 142 once but it would appear he does not gain much weight on the fight nights in question. The point being, Manny is not your typical welterweight who walks around as a middleweight and then boils down to 147 only to gain ten or more pounds back the night of the fight. What happens is that all the bigger fighters, heavier fighters, are afraid of him because of the speed. They see him and they cover themselves and do not throw at him. Juan Manuel Marquez counterpunches him.
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pong · Sep 6, 2011

For his fight with Manny Pacquiao, Oscar De La Hoya hired Beristain to work his corner. One of the sparring partners for the fight was the late Edwin Valero, who did not last long in camp. Beristain offered his thoughts on the late lightweight titleholder who reportedly killed himself in a jail in Venezuela in April 2010 after killing his wife the night before.

“He was a bit crazy,” said Beristain. “As a fighter, he was bad but when he hit, he hit very...[hard]. But look at the story of that fighter. Since he was a kid, he was a thief. When he was young, he would go, for example, on a motorcycle with someone on the back and they would find somebody else with a motorcycle, get him off and steal it. One day, the cops [gave chase] and he hit a post. A metal plate had to be implanted on him. That’s why here in the US, they didn’t allow him to fight. He was somewhat crazy. He married a very beautiful woman and used to beat her quite frequently. She shot him in the [inaudible]. The last thing he did, he beat his mother.”

It should be noted while Valero did have a motorcycle accident that caused bleeding on the brain, a condition that cost his license to box in the US, no mention of a metal plate had ever been heard by this writer until this conversation.

“I chucked [Valero] out of Oscar’s camp,” said Beristain. “I asked them to give him his money and get him out. He was there in camp until 1 AM playing pool and drinking.”

On the media day for that fight, held in Big Bear, CA where Oscar was training, De La Hoya was sporting a black eye. While some reports claimed it was from a sparring session with Golden Boy Promotions fighter Victor Ortiz, I had heard that Valero, who bet a large amount of cash on Pacquiao to knock out Oscar, was in fact the culprit. Beristain confirmed this.

“Yes. He threw a punch after time was over,” said Beristain. ‘Time was over’ meaning after the bell had rung in a sparring session. “The next day, I chucked him out. That’s why he disliked me. Whenever he would see me, he would not say hello. Oscar’s brother said, ‘No, he’s not leaving.’ I told him, ‘Yes, he is leaving; he is leaving now.’ So Joel went to complain to Oscar. Oscar told Joel, ‘You have to obey. If Don Nacho said he goes, he goes.’”

Beristain explained that it was his decision to stop the Pacquiao-De La Hoya fight. Many have claimed Oscar quit on his stool in between the eighth and ninth rounds. On the HBO tape, Oscar is asked if he wants to continue and he shakes his head ‘No’ but to hear Beristain tell it, the decision was already made and it was actually Oscar’s brother, Joel, who wanted to make sure.

“In the corner, when he was hitting him, I told Oscar, ‘If you don’t throw punches, I’m gonna stop the fight because this guy is not going to be gloating over you.’ His brother said, ‘No you’re not gonna stop the fight.’ I said, ‘Yes, I will stop it and I am the one in charge here.’”

We asked if that was the problem with Oscar going into that fight, too many voices in camp.

“No,” said Beristain. “No, the problem was the drop in weight. His legs were not working well.”

Beristain explained that De La Hoya’s plan to drop down to 147 well before the fight in order to become strong at that weight vs. the smaller Pacquiao completely backfired. De La Hoya’s strength coach, Rob Garcia, simply dropped Oscar too low in weight too soon and that ultimately left Oscar listless and flat in the fight.

Changing trainers was a major theme in De La Hoya’s career. He worked with Robert Alcazar, Gil Clancy, Beristain, Jesus Rivera, Freddie Roach, Floyd Mayweather Sr. and Emanuel Steward. I might be missing a few. I asked Beristain if that constant change stunted his growth as a fighter and possibly kept him from finding his true identity in the ring. Beristain answered and then offered a glimpse into what might have been.

“No,” he answered simply. “I will tell you something for history. Four or five years ago, they called me and took me to the office of Oscar’s manager, who had a car [inaudible]. They wanted me to train him before Jesus Rivera and Emmanuel Steward but I had two jewels in my gym and their names were Rafael Marquez and Juan Manuel Marquez. They were fighting six-rounders and I always bet they were going to be world champions. They were training with me since they were 12 years old. I told [Oscar’s people ] I was not going to abandon [Rafael and Juan Manuel]. If I could take those two fighters to training camp, I would accept, if not, no. They told me that was not possible, that I had to be trainer of Oscar De La Hoya exclusively, so I said no. Oscar’s father and manager were surprised when I said no. It would have been a stupidity on my part to leave my job to go earn $200,000 or $300,000.

“Money is important but when journalists write a note of eight columns, they love their work and I love mine,” continued Beristain. “You don’t know what I feel when one of my boxers is amateur and wins the Golden Gloves, wins the district. I get him to the pros and he wins the world championship. I cannot describe the emotion. It’s an indescribable emotion. There is no money in the world that can repay you that joy. Juan Manuel Marquez fights on November 12 and the idea doesn’t exist in my head that I’m going to make a million dollars. My mind is occupied with the thought that we have to beat Manny Pacquiao again, even if I come back saying, ‘You were robbed.’
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so valero sucker punched odlh

igor_otsky · Sep 6, 2011

great post. thanks. many issues cleared on Nacho's interview.

PNoyFightFanUSN · Sep 6, 2011

Huh. I wonder how quickly this gets misread about Oscar needing an iv(which nacho denied) and Oscar simply being too low too quickly(which he confirms).

Nacho knows he can get jmm to get up for this fight. I'm looking forward to it still.

Boxing Fanatic · Sep 6, 2011

angulo is so inactive. kermit outboxed him

Chetkincaid · Sep 6, 2011

lol Valero was crazy. What a waste of talent. Can you imagine what a Valero v. Brandon Rios fight would have looked like?

Uncle Rico · Sep 6, 2011

“It’s not his natural weight though. Pacquiao has never gone above 140,”
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Even Nacho acknowledges the fact that Pacquiao is a small welterweight, and that weight won't be as much of an issue.

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