Nacho Beristein: "Pacquiao BEATS Floyd Definitely"

Floyd's a much better athlete than manny. He's quicker, stronger, durable, hasn't ever got tired unlike manny, and has much quicker reflexes.

Having good footwork doesn't mean you're athletic.

manny actually has very average reach for his size. The average reach is a person's height. manny is 5'6.5" or 66.5 inches tall with a 67 inch reach. It's actually Floyd with the long AZZ reach, Floyd is 5'8" or 68 inches tall with a 72 inch reach, he has the reach of a 6 ft person despite being much shorter.

Floyd has beat up much better pressure fighters in his life than Ortiz.

We've seen Floyd beat up someone with superior athleticism to him before, Zab Judah. emmanuel has yet to fight someone who is more athletic than he is.

 

:deal

 

Yeah and during the fight he resorts to saying, you cant beat him, just finish the fight to the end and leave with your pride

 

He's not always safety first but he will keep leaving himself open to a minimum even in his counters and that's where he and Marquez differ. Everyone brings up the Marquez fight as a measuring stick but fail to realize that Marquez and Floyd are different coutering punchers. Marquez had to be willing to eat leather to get his counters off. Floyd will not be willing to do that and that's what I'm basing it off of. Sooner or later Floyd will have to put himself in position to be hit in order to be able to get off on a counter and one shot will not work.

 

true!!!

 

WELL, HE Did finish the fight... how he left is another story.... oh, and believe me, I was rooting for Marquez.

 

Marquez was also gonna beat Floyd definitely.

 

Now, if only Floyd has your confidence the fight would've happened already.

 

Ouch there's some butt hurt *****s about!

 

:rofl When exactly have you seen Manny got tired? Durable? Mosley clipped Floyd on the jaw and he hanged on for his life. Manny ate Mosley/Margarito/Cotto's punches like they're rice and hardly flinched! The only advantage that Floyd has over Manny is his reflexes.

 

Pac UD

 

You make some valid points. But we're talking about prime Mayweather in your assessment.

I wouldn't be willing to agree carte blanche with your post til we see how Floyd looks against Ortiz.

Reflexes wane - Especially only having fought twice since December 2007. His reflexes didn't seem too bad Vs a smaller man in Marquez, but old man and more active MOsley sure shook those whiskers up in the 2nd round of the fight he had in May of last year.

He took a long vacation and while I'm sure he's back in training an whupping sparring partners now, it's not the same thing as having come off of fighting at an elite or near elite level all the time.

I guess the rest COULD be good for Floyd, but we'll see.

I wouldn't say necessarily that Floyd is more durable than Pacquiao, especially when it comes to his hands - Which is something I suspect is behind his on again off again career of the past few years.

Sure his over analysed xylocaine injections have helped, but as IF Mayweather is going to talk about how much trouble they give him. His last KO was against Hatton in 2007, and you need to go back to 2005 for his previous stoppage over Sharmba Mitchell. Both guys fighting at least one weight division above their prime weightclass.

Floyd's pressure fighter experience, well. With Hatton he handled the pressure by tying Hatton up and sticking his forearm of elbow in his face. Hatton's style of pressure was on the inside where he like to rough house and go to the body, a different sort of pressure to Manny's in and out combo style.

And different again from JLC's pressure game at 135.

I would definatley not class Zab as a superior athlete to Floyd. Arguably as fast, but I would defo not say he is a better athlete. Floyd is a way more complete package than Zab.

I don't know that Manny has beaten up athletically superior men, but from Diaz on - he's given away height and reach to every fighter. You talk about Floyd's 72" reach - Margarito has a 73" inch spane and is 3 inches taller than Floyd for example.

Pac has been active, the question will be, if the JMM fight turns into another close war, and Floyd comfortably outboxes Ortiz - Will Pac be more shopworn when he comes to fight Floyd?

I'm not sure either way.

I still favor Floyd by a decision victory in a close but clear, 7-5 or 8-4 in rounds kinda fight, but every month that goes by - Floyd's best assets wane a bit with father time.

That said, I think the REAL difference between the two men is Floyd's superb defence. THAT will be the key - A bit like the difference between Hopkins and Jones Jnr in the latter half of their careers - While Floyd might loose a touch of speed and reflex, his excellent defensive style may well save the day for him, he counters off of his shoulder so well.