Nacho: Marquez Has To Survive Early Pacquiao Rounds

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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    By the time 2008 rolled around, Pacquiao certainly had his right hand well developed in his arsenal. It wasn't as diverse or powerful as when they first met, but as Nacho said, everything's a little bit better. Roach hated the criticism he got after the 1st Marquez fight and the loss to Morales for him being a one-handed fighter, and from that point on, that development was key, and it was present for their second fight. I was watching highlights of Pacquiao-Mosley and was surprised at how similar Pacquiao's general offensive body language looked to their second bout. He's improved for sure, but Pacquiao is the same basic fighter.

    But the rest of your post has some good points man.
     
  2. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Yep, he doesn't know how to deal with guys going backwards. Difference was Marquez made those steps back subtle wheres Mosley did it in way that was clear for all to see.
     
  3. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    :good

    Word. Marquez is very good at being precise, and breaking his own rhythm. Backward-steps, lateral rotations, pivoting out to restart the angle, coming forward in spots, etc.
     
  4. oskar

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    If JMM vs MP is going to look like SSM vs MP obviously MP will dominate JMM. SSM got height & reach over MP while back pedaling but still MP was able to tagged him because of foot speed which was also lacking during his 2nd fight with JMM. MP is much more improved now that's why JMM is training early because deep down team JMM knows this is a much more patient & technical MP.
     
  5. PeteDawg

    PeteDawg Observant Observer Full Member

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    :yep

    Don't tell that to certain Floyd fans that just want to talk shop... if you don't engage them in their imaginary scenario, you don't know **** about boxing is the next response. Pacquiao will change any boxers tactics... that is guaranteed. :smoke
     
  6. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I've said it from the moment the fight was signed, "Free play downfield."

    ........When a fighter is 38 years old, especially in the lighter weights, thats ancient.
    Though Marquez has shown to still be capable, you dont count on a 38 year old to be sharp and on his game every time out.

    Consistency is one of the attributes that older athletes lose. Because of age and wear and tear, you dont feel the same from day to day, and you're certainly not as sharp as you used to be.

    Can Marquez do it? Absolutely. I still feel that there is still a sizeable skill level disparity between Marquez and Pacquiao.
    The only question becomes will Marquez at his age show up and be sharp on the night and then have the stamina to fight at a high pace vs a fighter like Pacquiao that has'nt lost anything physically and stamina wise from when they last fought.
     
  7. DobyZhee

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    :yep
     
  8. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I dont know where you *******s get this that Nacho has to give Pacquiao props.......
    Nacho has done nothing but give Pacquiao props.
    In fact, when he was training DLH for Pacquiao he voiced that DLH had to take Pacquiao seriously and not be confident in the fact he was the much bigger fighter.

    Nacho from the start viewed the Pacquiao fight as a hard fight for DLH.......and in Pacquiao's subsequent fights ever since, Nacho has picked Pacquiao to win everytime.

    Hatton, Clottey, Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, .......Nacho picked Pac to win in every one of those matchups.
     
  9. KnuckleUp99

    KnuckleUp99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nacho has given PAC a lot of props since the DLH loss. I think he respects PAC as a fighter and knows what he's capable of. Nacho is a great trainer...under appreciated but within the sport everyone knows the man's a genius. He's cultivated many GREAT mexican fighters from kids, to world champions and he broke mold of the stigma that ALL mexican's fight one way. All of his fighters have been great boxers with great offenseive and defensive skills.
     
  10. ryan_c

    ryan_c Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah after the Oscar loss is when Nacho starts giving props to Pacquiao. Before you will never see Nacho giving props to Pac.
     
  11. KnuckleUp99

    KnuckleUp99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Right.... Nacho really thought his fighter beat him 2 times as did many others. Of course both fights were hella close so I can understand his opinion as the man who trained JMM. But PAC earned Nacho's respect in the DLH fight for sure...
     
  12. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nacho also claimed Oscar wasn't as weight drained as people think. Pacquiao being the better man, was the reason why the fight was as one-sided as it was. Maybe that's him covering his own back as Oscar's trainer, or he's genuinely giving Pacquiao his props.
     
  13. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wrong!
    Even before the DLH fight took place, before even the Marquez rematch took place, Nacho would call Pacquiao a whirlwind and a physical phenomena, "a nightmare of a fighter that can throw punches from any and all angles."

    Alot of you *******s now did'nt even live the Pacquiao era before the DLH fight and so it not surprising that you all would be clueless.
     
  14. blur

    blur WLADGLASSJAW Full Member

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    will you give pac full credit if he beats jmm decisively?
     
  15. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I've said it many times, this fight is taking place 3 years and two weight classes too late.

    Marquez has a free play downfield. He's playing with house money!:deal