Nacho talks about Oscar

The only thing DLH added to get to 154, was fat.

 

LOL, the nutrionists are always blamed. No surprise here.

 

you think so? 154 is where he scored his biggets victories over mayorga and vargas, though it was after both got koed by trinidad.

 

I don't think anyone disputes that Manny is the better fighter. He's ranked p4p the best fighter in the world because if everyone weighed the same he would win. So if DLH and Manny weighed the same, Manny would have won because he has the style to beat DLH.

However, what people are disputing who would have won straight up if DLH was hydrated However you disect it, Manny was gonna come out on top If he won he's a legend, if he lost it was to a bigger man. He wasn't going to lose any recognition as the P4P #1 fighter. What people expected was for DLH to win because he was the bigger man not because he was the better fighter.

DLH went in the taller and longer fighter, but he wasn't the bigger fighter as most people expected him to be, so of course it had a huge affect on the fight. If any of the punches that landed on Vargas or Mayorga landed on Manny, it would have been goodnight Manny. Instead he lost all his strength by going down to 147.

DLH probably before training for the fight, naturally was weighing around 160-165. If his corner was smart they would have him at about 155 for a month so he would feel natural at that weight, and then drop the last few lbs before weigh-ins. That would have been more manageable. Instead DLH and his corner were playing head games with the other camp and obviously themselves. There is no benefit to being down to weight for a month in advance. Instead he shrunk his stomach so bad he couldn't regain any strength.

 

I don't know... Is it?

 

Did you expect him to say "Nah, I feel like ****. What the **** was I thinking trying to make 147?"

 

Hard for Oscar to go back after saying he made the weight well. Oscar said he made the weight so we have to take his word on it. If he said it just to make money with Pacman, then his legacy will be affected by his greed since it will be hard for some people to excuse him losing to a guy who fought at 130 a few months ago. Fact is he never was a guy who threw a punch if he thought he would get hit. He always threw punches when he knew he could nail at guy and not get hit, unlike a guy like Hearns or Hagler who would take chances and usually not get hit anyway. So the fight on Saturday makes sense.

 

Did Nacho mention anything about Oscar shitting pure liquid for 3 weeks leading to the fight?

 

I've heard Bernstain overtrained him. That seems to be a developing consensus, at least according to a few stories I read.

 

I think eating nothing but protein in your diet gives you constipation, not diarrhea.

 

Good try, Nacho... De La Hoya went into the ring at 147 for a 147 fight. Sure... Everything was fine.

 

Well... of course Nacho isn't going to come out and say that he didn't properly prepare his fighter.

However, I really don't think that he was weight drained. Oscar simply don't have his legs anymore, and hasn't had them for quite some time. Oscar can still throw punches, but that doesn't help you much if you aren't able to move into position. Also, Oscar can't fire off shots like he used to, as his reflexes aren't what they were. You can tell when he sees the openings, and just can't let his hands go. Oscar weighing in at 154 pounds wouldn't have changed that. Maybe, he would have been a little more durable, but it wouldn't have changed the fact that his legs aren't under him, and he doesn't have the same reflexes anymore.

Oscar even said himseld during his training camp that he has noticed that the first thing to go is the legs... and he doesn't have the legs that he used to. Of course... if Oscar is already struggling with his legs, cutting weight as well probably isn't going to help him. The only time that boxers seem to become stronger when they get older is if they go up in weight, naturally. Hopkins, for example.

 

One of the reasons, the main reason in fact, that most people (myself included) predicted an Oscar victory was that Oscar was supposedly a bigger boxer.

On fight night, Pac was at 145 approximately, and he had been there before in the Diaz fight and handled the weight just fine.

It was expected that Oscar would enter the ring about 12 -15 lbs heavier on fight night.

He didn't. Instead, he came down to 147 weeks before the fight and stayed there. No rehydration after the weigh-in, because there was nothing to rehydrate. That's the size the guy was for that fight.

He gave away his main advantage over Pac, size.

Both guys were the same size, and both are at the same general skill level, but one has six years on the other, with the implications that has for speed. And one is not as strong as he could be as he's spent some weeks getting to this weight.

(Getting to it, not just making it for the weigh-in).

So with Oscar's size and strength nullified by virtue of him coming in at true welter, and with Pac's age (and hence, speed) advantage, the way the fight unfolded is hardly a huge surprise.

His inability to 'pull the trigger' against either Floyd or Pac had more to do with the speed of those two opponents vis-a-vis his own declining speed.

The surprise has to be that Oscar and his team chose that weight strategy.


(In answer to somebody's question re: The Oscar who fought Shane Mosley at 147 vs last weeks Pac ? It doesn't reach the fourth round).

 

Pac was actually 148 1/2 on fight night.

 

if there's any ''bull****'' what so ever about the the night of the fight, its how oscar 'unofficially' weighted in less than pac. i was there live & seen the replay afterwards. -goddamn ray charles could see that there was a major difference in size from oscars weight-in to fight night. i mean c'mon, this was a dlh event to the max. did ya'll not see how fake dlh was trying to hype up the pacman as if he thought pac stood a chance?
oscar couldn't pull the trigger more b/c of pacs style/speed/mobility than weight drainage.