Name 1 ATG fighter any of the klitchko brothers beat

Klitschkos are cleaning out the heavyweight division, Hell, they are beating everyone and have "all" the belts/titles!!!!!!!

 

Good thread.David Haye is one useless mother****er at heavyweight,so it's obvious that he's no ATG,even at cruiser.

 

Impossible.

 

There was only one ATG available at the time, and Vitali almost beat him. Who knows how the fight would have played out, had it not been for that awful cut. All that matters is that Lewis ran into retirement as soon as Vitali became his mandatory, via 3rd round brutal tko of Kirk Johnson.

Chris Byrd is a potential Hall of Famer. I'd say Both Haye and Adamek had a chance of making it to hall of fame, well Adamek still has a chance. But ATG...there are no ATG's available for them to beat.

 

Yeah, the Klitschkos should take Holyfield and Toney out of the retirement home so they can say they beat 2 ATGs, right TS? :nut

How many prime ATGs did Tyson beat? And Holyfield?

 

The Klitsckos dominate fighters who would have beaten many of the oldtime ATGs.

If these past 'greats' were transported in time so that they were fighting today they would also be dominated by the Klitschkos. They would also be described by some of the posters on this site as bums after being beaten by the Klitschkos.

The term ATG is a purely subjective term. Because the Klitschkos beat a fighter that means that that fighter can never be considered for atg status. This is the case even though that fighter might well have cleaned up in past eras.

 

There is no other great HW left for the Klitschkos but

Byrd > Bruno
Brewster = McCall
Ibragimov > Prime Briggs
Thompson > Ruddock
Mavrovic = Haye


Any Kltschkos would beat Golota in 4 rounds

at the moment the Lewis wins vs Mercer, Morrison old Tyson, Tua and Holyfield are making the difference

but if Wladimir fights on and beats Solis, Valuev, Povetkin and Helenuis
he comes very close to Lewis resume

 

Right, and the Klitschko's did not want to meet washed up versions of Holyfield, Tyson, or Bowe.

 

It's not their fault lewis was ducking them, fighting guys like rahman, shot tyson, or trying to fight RJJ. Vitali was close to fighting tyson, but mike lost to williams so vitali had to KO danny.

 

Just because I'm fan don't make me blind. Personally as a Klitchko fan, I had the fight at 2-2-2, in I don't got to use a must system....On a must I like the judges had it 4 rounds for Vitilie and 2 for lewis.

I saw a great fight....others saw what ever they wanted....
Lewis was exhausted, and it was right to stop the fight it was a TKO On CUTS.

Lewis who dodged manditories like Byrd, Ruiz....because they would be so boring....Lewis saying time and time and time again....Boring.

Then having given his word...Rematch.
Sees the fight on replay and nope....no way Jose....
Vitilie runs him out of boxing.

He wasn't 'fat and out of shape', he was in shape for Donut Johnson...37 not thirty eight.
He was not in shape for Vitilie...and any one can see that.

Once I wondered why Lewis was as disliked as DHL....that is so unfair to DHL who fought the very best he could find. Yep should have rematched some one in a tight fight.
But DHL did not dodge any one....I doubt if he said he'd rematch someone and reneged....don't know was not a fan for or against.

But when one sees the pattern of not fighting this one, and that one and dumping belts....I can understand why Lewis was hated back when he was fighting more than the Klitchko's were then.

The only reason I can see that Lewis is now so beloved is jingotism and racism.

What ATG says rematch in the ring and retires instead of re-matching.
I have little to no respect for Holms who was not respected in the day...and much for the Kiddy parade of six 10-15 fight pretenders he fought.
I rate Lewis now much lower than I did before these threads.
I rate them both the same....tied for 20....could have beens, but were nots. Not even want to be's, in they could have been.

Holms and King didn't unify..never tried, and ran to the brand new IBF when told to fight someone who was not a pretender. In the IBF he kept fighing kids.

Lewis dodged and dodged and none of the Klitchko haters will admit that.

They were not Lewis fans when he was fighting....No body on ESB was. He had some six fans.

IMO his best fight was the second Rahman fight, when he did to him what was expected in the first fight....that he did not train for...which was why he got caught...playing for an air break instead of fighting.
In that second fight, that jab of his was ever so impressive.
The Saftey first of Holy and Tua.... Chin checkers had a huge few days on Lewis back then.

IMO in that Lewis had some six fans back when he was fighting, is that the Klitchko haters need something to point to.
You were not a Lewis fan back then.........all you were then like now was a hater.

 

Wlad and Vitali are too great. They don't allow any of the competition to rise anywhere near that status. For instance... it doesn't nothing for Wlad to knock out an old ATG like Holyfield who is past his best. Too much emphasis is put on beating "ATG's", especially when most of the time that happens... they ATG's aren't prime anymore. So, then what the hell does it matter?

Sort of like Lennox Lewis. He beat Tyson... but a Mike Tyson who was worse than Danny Williams. He beat Evander Holyfield... who was basically an even fighter with John Ruiz at the time. So, what do those wins really mean in the end? Absolutely nothing. If you don't beat them in their prime, then you may as well not fight them at all.

None of that really means anything anyways. ATG status is mythical and arguable. If the Klitschkos weren't around we would think that these other extremely talented fighters are future ATG's. We would think that because the competition would be much tighter and their performances would be great. However, the Klitschkos just dominate all of the opposition so everyone gets written off. They are simply a level above. Probably a level above anyone we have ever seen in the heavyweight division. This is not only due to their size... but the level of skill that they bring with it.

 

ATG??????

That means you are the Champion, and have been for a while beating everyone, to be a ATG. How can that be?

Normally one gets a Slightly fading champ on his way down, or when some one comes up from a lower division.

Tyson was shot...Tua was never champion.
And the Fights vs Holy were not all that Great.
Gee....that makes Haye an all time great.

How about instead of bull shitting with ATG....TPF....Top Prime Fighter.

Or Real Top Contender.

Did Adamek do enough to be an All Time Great....or is he just an All Time Near Great.
He is not an All Time great in my books he did not have all four belts being and or being Unified and Undisputed ....neither was Haye...some one else had a belt...not Unified...just like Roy.

Does being dodged count...Vitilie was dodged by Roy...who ran for Lt. Heavy in Vitilie was Manditory.

I think Bascilo got to be ATG, being Undisputed Welter and Middle...those two fights with Robinson makes him an ATG. Dick Tiger ATG? Holy...yes.

Ali was an ATG...was Frazier? Was Forman or was that later. Sure lost to Schultz.

A Belt holder = ATG??????

 

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