Name a fighter that would have beaten RJJ the night he fought Toney

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  1. pecho26

    pecho26 ESB Lurker Full Member

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    Give it a rest you Goddamn moron. Reading your worthless trash is good only when a person is constipated.
     
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  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Why do you keep repeating this **** Loudon? You're the one who's always going on about others not taking circumstances into consideration when they're criticizing Roy but you rarely do the same when it comes to Joe when your sinking your claws into him. There are very valid and legitimate reasons why Calzaghe struggled against Reid but you continuously choose to overlook and ignore them.

    Joe can't win with you people like you. It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. You **** on him for not fighting when he was carrying injuries, or done barely any sparring due to suffering injuries in training, or when he was going through problems in his personal life, and **** on him when he badly underperformed due to fighting through all that ****.
     
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  3. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    L we don't need any kind of proof. We all know lol... Once Jones came back down to 175 after the Ruiz fight and we all saw him struggle with Tarver after getting tired about round 7...after that fight we knew that Jones had lost something from the weight loss. At age 35 it was too much to overcome.
     
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  4. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    I love 40 Cal. Even when he was being groomed on that Tyson undercard where he hurt his hand, I knew he had talent. He just came along at a time where those guys were at 168 one minute and 175 the next. He came a lil after them. It's just my opinion that he can't beat a prime Jones. 40Cal could fight. Anyone who doesn't think so is a hater.
     
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I don't have a problem with people thinking prime Roy beats him. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and I respect that. That's not what I'm arguing against here, although it does irk the **** out of me how people conveniently forget that ''prime'' Roy was a PED cheat. But that's a different subject and one I don't care to delve into as it's completely pointless doing so most of the time.:good
     
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  6. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    What are you arguing?
     
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  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    About Loudon using Joe's performance in the Robin Reid fight as a barometer for how he'd fare against Jones.
     
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  8. VivaNazVegas

    VivaNazVegas Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And yet, you're still going to try
     
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  9. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    There is no single fight or common opponent that could tell how us how each fairs unless both fighters have the same exact resume lol.:lol: I wouldn't worry about that. As you can see you don't agree and that's enough. Jones fans had to endure Cal's fans saying that, that Cal beat a prime or even a good Jones. Jones was still an ok fighter, but far from good.
     
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  10. Serge

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    It's more the fact that Calzaghe wasn't anywhere near his best when he fought Reid due to going through a **** load of bad luck with injuries and what not that I'm alluding to.

    Jones wasn't prime when he fought Calzaghe. However, whilst Joe was a lot closer to his than Jones was, Joe wasn't exactly a spring chicken himself and his hands were in a terrible state by that stage of his career and his punch resistance not what it once was.
     
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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    By the way, I haven't offered an opinion on how a hypothetical match up between prime versions of Jones and Calzaghe would go down and I don't care to get into that either. lol. One thing I will say is, Calzaghe was a lot better fighter than many of these ****ing agenda-driven imbeciles and brainwashed sheep will try and have you believe though.
     
    Serge, Mar 11, 2014
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  12. kmac

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    why not? is it because you know the truth?
     
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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :patsch

    No, because it's completely ****ing pointless trying to debate with people with massive agendas and I don't have either the patience or the energy to get into long and protracted debates even with those who don't anymore. I've been doing this **** for longer than I care to remember. That's why my post count is so low. :good
     
    Serge, Mar 11, 2014
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  14. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Serge,

    calm yourself mate.

    Look at who I was replying to.

    I know about Joe's circumstances.

    If Joe had've been 100%, he'd have given a better performance. But styles make fights, and I think Reid would still have troubled him a lot. That's my honest opinion.

    Roy was at a different level in my opinion. His speed and power would have been a recipe for disaster.

    I could have substituted Reid's name for Kessler, Bika or Hopkins. He didn't struggle against Kessler and Bika, but they caused him trouble.

    But he struggled against Hopkins, and by his own admission as well as Frank and Enzo's, despite his bad hands, he was much more of a complete fighter at the end of his career.

    They were telling us all how he was a much better fighter against Kessler, then he'd been ten years ago against Eubank.

    Joe was adamant that that version of himself would easily have beaten the Eubank version.

    I'm sorry you were offended, but I was just trying to put things into perspective for Assassin.

    A guy who gets dropped by Brewer, Salem, Hopkins and by a mistimed shot by Roy, doesn't have a hope of beating a prime version at 25/26.

    I was just giving him a reality check, because if you read his posts, the guy's living in a complete fantasy.
     
    Loudon, Mar 11, 2014
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  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Prime Roy KO1 Slappy Joe.

    Let's just leave it at that. :good
     
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