Name all fighters who have performed at better than borderline elite level...

:twisted: ....****er.

What did this have to do with my question to you?? I never mentioned Pavlik in here.

 

A+ against Juarez, A+ against Pac both times. Pac was an A against Marquez, I scored both fights clear wins to Marquez. 'Oh it was close blah blah', **** off, there is a such thing as close and clear and there is no way to score the 2nd fight for Pac if you go by the correct criteria.

 

It has plenty to do, if Pavlik continues the B- path, then I may be able to justify a case for Taylor being a C level at 168 and being completely voided and forgotten about.:good

 

:rofl

 

See even when somebody you've gone out of your way to be a complete dick to, tries to just forget about that and ask a question for my own educational purposes, you still just have to be a *****.:fire

****er.:twisted: Only wanted to learn something.

 

Agreed 100% (especially about him at 140). I just kept seeing people mentioning Cotto's performance vs Shane, yet noone giving credit the other way. Just wanted to even it out a bit.

:good

 

How am I being a ***** to you, I gave you the answer you wanted and I use Pavlik as a tool to in seeking the destruction of an evil entity called Jermain Taylor, it has nothing to do with you, if I get everyone on the net to hate Taylor, Taylor feels the wrath, not you.

Then if everybody does hate Taylor and accepts Pavlik as his god-sent conqueror, albeit not one to hype up more than a good solid champion and not P4P elite, Pavlik will be celebrated as a great man, who relieved us from hell.

 

And my point about these morons claiming that a destructive win over average Margarito will jump Cotto up in the P4P rankings is that it won't, the Shane win and Quintana win in recent times cement where he is now, Margarito is far, far lesser than both and it's a credit to Cotto's Welter resume for continuing to clean the division, but no jump in P4P.

If two B's in Clottey and Williams can outclass Margarito, then doesn't that prove he's nowhere near an elite fighter and therefore not worthy as a victory to jump guys P4P?

If that's not the case, then why wasn't Williams jumped in the top 10? Because Margo is not impressive, he's just going to be used as a tool to artificially jump Cotto up, which is FINE if kept in context as we need a Cotto-Floyd fight.

 

OK, I have to concede to being ******ed then, because I still don't get WTF this has to do with Cotto vs. Gomez.:rofl

BTW, surely you know I jest? Only way we usually know how to talk to each other.:yep

 

I responded to Cotto-Gomez comments!

Go find and read, Amsterdam will wait for the follow up response.

 

Im not of the ilk of people that believe that Margo is somehow some elite fighter either. But one thing REALLY bothers me.

Margarito, whether you like the guy or not, is phenominal at what he is good at. He is very limited, but if the fight is kept within his limits, he is NIGHTMARE of an opponent. Problem I see is, Cotto's strengths are Margo's as well. Stylistically, this is a TOUGH fight for Cotto. I am picking Cotto...but I dont feel at all safe doing so.

Fact is, he aint KOing Tony...and tho he is 25x the boxer he is...he is also an inside fighter first...which MORE than plays into Margo's wheelhouse. This fight is gonna be much closer than most want to believe.

ONLY because of this, I think if Cotto pulls it out, he deserves a HUGE amount of credit for doing so.

 

I think right before Cotto started having issues with making weight he was an A grade fighter at 140lbs. Early on in his career (granted he was fighting lower level opposition) but it wasn't 100% tomato cans anyways. I think early career Cotto was absurdly fast and accurate with his combinations. Once he started having weight issues he definitely slipped. He didn't look good against Malignaggi even though he battered the hell out of him to the point of near death.

 

Hatton not a B+ above 140, he's horrible at Welterweight and chinny.

Anyways, I think if everybody knew more about Vasquez, they'd recognise that he's really an A-/B+, not an A class. Marquez moving up from his best weight was of course vulnerable to a naturally larger man with big power at 122 and Vasquez's determination was A++.

I just refuse to classify a guy with that horrible of a defence as an A fighter. He's had some issue's with limited opposition because of it.

 

How about Mijares vs. B+ Munoz?

Dominating a B+ is only something an A fighter can do, you don't have to fight an A to put forth an A performance. The key word is 'performance', meaning a flawless or near flawless performance against a B is a showcase of elite status.