Name for name: Carl Froch resume vs Joe Calzaghe resume

Kessler hit up many of the top challengers leading up to the Calzaghe fight - in fact, it was Calzaghe who was fighting the lesser opposition (as frank warren fighters tend to do).
remember, the likes of jermain taylor (who was at MW), carl froch (who was not a player at SMW yet), and andre ward (also wasn't on the map yet) weren't around at that time
froch will be remembered as a warrior who won a belt or two, bit like Kessler, but neither were ever the best in the division (which Calzaghe clearly was)

 

Any one who exclusively fights out of Copenhagen is not going to be world class. Prior to Calzaghe, Kessler had not faced any top talent. Unless you consider Andrade and Mundine as top tier elites.

 

It was a close fight and a fight that I felt Dirrell could have won but didnt. Dirrell hurt Froch at one point but was very negative.
Froch outlanded Dirrell and many publications I read had Froch just ahead.

Still what has this got to do with anything or my question you havent answered?

 

I like this post!
At that time of Kesslers reign he was facing good comp like Lucas, Beyer, Mundine but Calzaghe overall had fought at the higher level with fights like Mitchell, Eubank, Woodhall etc to just name a few

 

Siaca?
Lucas?
Beyer?

You know, the opponents that people on here were absolutely slating Calzaghe for not facing?

Completely clueless statement.

 

Carl froch not a player
Wbc champion
The belt Joe vacated
Jesus Christ

 

Same goes for the USA, the myth that you have to go to America to fight the best AmeriCan fighters has been proven a myth.

It's only for the history and obviously money fighters go thee.

 

Ridiculous comment.
Although both had off nights M Beyer was a top SMW, Mundine was a top SMW.

Still Froch travelled to Denmark and lost his unbeaten record to Kessler but that couldnt be a world class win but Froch having lost to Kessler travelled to America and lost to Ward and that would be a world class win.
Got it

 

Mundine lol who lost to clottey
Give over

 

what country do you have to go to then to fight the best american fighters?

 

LOL!
Tell that to Golovkin, Kovalev, Fonfara, and all the Cuban fighters.
How many Cuban fighters leave Cuba to settle in Russia or Belgium these days?

 

I know you try everything to save your boy Calzaghe's image, but there is no way in hell you can compare Ward and his wins to Kessler and his mediocre resume.

Were you one of the thousands who bet their car and house on Kessler beating Ward?

 

bailey,

At the moment, I'm finding it hard to find the motivation to respond to you, when I spend a lot of time on my posts, yet you don't show me the courtesy of reading them in their entirety and responding in a respectful manner.

Regarding Kessler and Roy, fair enough, I could have found a better example.

I don't fall into traps, but this is absolutely hilarious.

In the past few years when you've debated fantasy fights with Joe and Andre Ward, how many times have you asked:

"How many top, undefeated fighters has Andre Ward beaten?"

Ha!

You must have asked that question 50 times, to try and diminish Andre's achievements, whilst at the same time trying to enhance Joe's.

You love guys with undefeated records.

You love the fact that Joe beat Lacy and Kessler when they were undefeated.

If I could be bothered, I could look through our old Ward-Bute debates, and I could absolutely burn you by posting up your old comments. Again, throughout those debates, you spoke of what a great, undefeated guy Dawson was.

More nonsense.

I posted interviews from Eubank where he said the following:


He had no southpaw sparring.

He couldn't do his roadwork.

He had to have injections in both of his knees just before the fight in his changing room.

He couldn't pivot properly.

If he'd still been with Ronnie Davies, Ronnie wouldn't have let him gone through with it under those circumstances.


Yes, he hadn't won a fight at SMW in about 3 years. His last win at the weight was against Henry Wharton.

I'll stop you before we go any further.

As long as you fairly acknowledge where both fighters were at the specific moment of the fights in question, I don't care who you rate higher.

If you think Eubank was better than Bute, I'm not going to argue with you.

You could well be right.

My initial point to MAJR, was that sometimes you don't always look at where an opponent was at the time of the fights, and you instead rank them on past glories. Again, as long as you're being fare, then I really don't mind.

 

If you look at who they were at the time they fought. Froch has the better names. Eubank was old and shopworn, Jones Jr. was old and shopworn, Manfredo Jr. is a regional level guy, he doesn't even belong in the conversation.

 

Yes, you used the word 'duck' many times.

What failed argument?

You think that had Joe not retired in 2008, he would have gone on to have fought Chad Dawson.

That was in spite of him saying he didn't want to fight him because he didn't rate him and he'd done nothing to warrant a fight.

Again, if he'd said that in 2008, it's highly unlikely he'd have fought him in 2009-2010.